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Just for you

Author: MAS (14951 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 11:08 pm on Jun 12, 2008
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Bless you. Interestingly, both times Billy talks about Malmedy, Gen. Clark was his guest. Here's the transcript (before Fox "edited it") from 2005 with Bill O slandering the troops the first time:

Gen. Wesley Clark: Because in the United States Army that I served in proudly for 34 years, we did not beat up and torture prisoners. Just a second, Bill ---

Bill O'Reilly: Yeah, but with all due respect, there were atrocities in Vietnam, there were atrocities in World War Two --

Clark: Yes, and they were found, and they were punished.

O'Reilly: -- in World War One, in the Civil War, and the Revolutionary War.

Clark: They were not condoned by the chain of command.

O'Reilly: Yes they were!

Clark: No they weren't.

O'Reilly: Lt. Calley, and Medina in Vietnam.

Clark: They were not condoned by the chain of command, those guys were court-martialed.

O'Reilly: You know -- listen, with all due respect --

Clark: And let me explain something. You go all the way up the chain of command --

O'Reilly: General! You need to look at the Malmedy massacre in World War Two, and the 82nd Airborne who did it!
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Now, per your request, here is the transcript and link below with video from 2006, after Bill had been informed of his error, again interviewing Gen. Clark, at it again spouting untruths about US troops just to avoid admitting he was wrong:

Bill O'Reilly: Now for the top story tonight, another view of this. Joining us from Washington, Fox News military analyst General Wesley Clark.

General, if you were on active duty over in Iraq and you heard Congressman Murtha, you know, 'don't stick up for the military Charlie', you know and, and really bomb throwing, agitating in my opinion, what would you think about that?

General Wesley Clark: Well, I don't think I'd interpret it that way, not quite like you put it

Bill. I think that what Congressman Murtha's doing is a legitimate function of the Legislative Branch. He's not part of the Executive Branch of government, and he's getting fed information from the inside. He obviously has had a lot of people who have talked to him about this. He's not making this up, and that's the way he sees it, and he wants to get the facts out.

Look, when these things start to happen, and all of my sources in and around the Pentagon indicate that in fact, something like this instant did happen. It was murder. People were covered up. Now, I haven't seen the investigation, but people who have, are familiar with the facts are reporting these things. And when it happens like that, it's an indicator that you're on the edge of feasibility of your policy. It's an indicator that the, the stress on the units is such that standards of discipline and, and, and performance are, are breaking down at the margin.

Bill O'Reilly: See, I disagree. I disagree.

General Wesley Clark: And it's a real warning for us.

Bill O'Reilly: I disagree. In Iwo Jima, in the Battle of the Bulge, Malmedy, all these things, and you're a military historian. You know these happened. It happened in every war. It's happened in every army, and you're right, it's a breakdown caused by stress, and a breakdown has to be dealt with by the military extremely quickly, effectively.

General Wesley Clark: Yes.

Bill O'Reilly: Murderers, if, if they're deemed guilty in a, in a military court of justice have to be punished. But to draw a wider implication, General, when 95%, and I think you'd agree with that figure, of American forces overseas under tremendous stress are performing heroically every day, to draw a wider implication at this juncture brutally unfair, both to our forces and to our country. What say you?

General Wesley Clark: I say that, first of all, you'll have to show me and prove to me that there were ever any American soldiers in Belgium and Normandy or in Iwo Jima who murdered civilians. Secondly, I think you're too low when you say 95% of the forces are performing effectively. I'd say 99.5% of the forces are performing effectively, maybe higher. But when you have incidents like this, and you have chains of command under enormous stress, that is an indicator that things aren't going right. You've got to be sensitive to those indicators. You've got to fix the problem, otherwise it's going to get worse.

Bill O'Reilly: Okay. Listen, nobody-

General Wesley Clark: This is a long-term problem.

Bill O'Reilly: Nobody is disagreeing with that.

General Wesley Clark: Well then, that's my position.

Bill O'Reilly: But I, in, in Mal-, in, in Malmedy, as you know, US forces captured SS forces who had their hands in the air, and they were unarmed, and they shot them down. You know that. That's on the record, been documented. In Iwo Jima, the same thing occurred. Japanese attempted to surrender, and they were burned in their caves.
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Nice addressing of Bill's sex talk while being married, btw. A true moral example.

And where exactly did I "support" Rush? I simply stated that Rush highlighted the ACLU vs. the Scouts issue to millions of people years before Bill. The only person writing bullshit here is you with claims you can't back up.


Link: http://securingamerica.com/node/1047

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