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Are we responding to the same message?

Author: iairishcheeks (24725 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:10 pm on Dec 14, 2021

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"If you vaccinate someone, and they make an antibody response, and then they get exposed and infected, does the response that you induce enhance the infection and make it worse? The only way you'll know that is if you do an extended study [not on volunteers, but on the public]."

Then you said: "That's how trials work. Controlled experiment with large N. In the public."

My contention: it is no longer a controlled experiment when you release it to the public, without a control group. Now, you can still change policies or advisements based on data once it's in the wild, but that's no longer an "experiment" nor a "controlled study" nor a "trial".

Replies to: "Are we responding to the same message?"

Can any vax mandate supporter here explain what Fauci was talking about & give a link as reference? [NT] [LINK] - Eli - 10:42am 12/14/21 (38) [View All]
- What part do you not understand? Oh right. All of it. [NT] - Chris94 - 11:56am 12/14/21
  - Karen94. [NT] - Cole - 8:25pm 12/14/21
    - Excellent [NT] - TampaIrish - 10:03pm 12/14/21
  - Why you support mandate of an extended study on public, assuming you got what Fauci said. [NT] - Eli - 12:23pm 12/14/21
    - He said we wouldn't know for sure until we see how it works in the public - Chris94 - 12:33pm 12/14/21
      - Why don't you just try it on a part of public - high risk group instead mandate it on everyone? [NT] - Eli - 3:25pm 12/14/21
      - If everyone is supposed to get vaxxed, who is in the control group? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:45pm 12/14/21
        That’s why it’s an experiment [NT] - Chris94 - 12:46pm 12/14/21
        Vaxxing the entire public is an experiment? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:55pm 12/14/21
        Vaccinations start with a study. Are you being serious, Clark? [NT] - Chris94 - 1:00pm 12/14/21
        Are we responding to the same message? - iairishcheeks - 1:10pm 12/14/21
        They enroll, say, 12,000 people in the study - Chris94 - 1:17pm 12/14/21
        That's volunteers, not the public. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 1:28pm 12/14/21
        Right but they live their normal lives in the public. That's what Fauci means. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:38pm 12/14/21
        As opposed to what? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:51pm 12/14/21
        Living their best lives? [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 3:46pm 12/14/21
        Nevermind my previous silliness, now I've got it! - iairishcheeks - 12:51am 12/15/21
        
        I think we should try it on prisoners first. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 3:58pm 12/14/21
        Like Maine...forcing prisoners to eat lobster? You're certainly old school... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 4:09pm 12/14/21
        Let them eat sea roaches. - iairishcheeks - 5:06pm 12/14/21
        
        YES!...and thank heaven enough volunteers showed up...30,000 for Moderna's Phase 3 Trial... [NT] - TyroneIrish - 2:24pm 12/14/21
        
        We need to figure out something else to call this jab because it's not a vaccine. That is - TampaIrish - 1:04pm 12/14/21
        Maybe you do. But we don't. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:38pm 12/14/21
        Me, I prefer the old definition of vaccine and not the CDC's new definition. [LINK] - TampaIrish - 3:12pm 12/14/21
        
        Flu shot. It might work or it might not [NT] - MuskyTommy - 1:27pm 12/14/21
- You should just listen to him...but if you want other people's comments, the COVID-19 vaccines were - TyroneIrish - 11:21am 12/14/21
  - In another word we've to make public a guinea pig, a lab rat in order to find out if Vax lead to ADE - Eli - 11:35am 12/14/21
    - Eli,,,Eli...this exact same protocol has be utilized for decades...with likely 'tweaks' I'm guessing - TyroneIrish - 1:44pm 12/14/21
      - Ty ...Ty... For 1st time on a topic, you didn't provide a link. Why? You never look up info that - Eli - 2:35pm 12/14/21
        Had the vaccines made the situation worse, we wouldn't be having this conversation...you get that? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 3:39pm 12/14/21
        Had the vaccines not been mandated we wouldn't be having this conversation. You should get it - Eli - 4:10pm 12/14/21
        I know there's a language issue here, but even so, you can't be that blind to what's going on around - TyroneIrish - 4:36pm 12/14/21
        What's going on around me is I personally only know 1 person who got covid for 18 mo, you know 0 - Eli - 9:17pm 12/14/21
        One more time, Eli...the vaccines did not make COVID-19 illness worse, either in the Trials - TyroneIrish - 9:38pm 12/14/21
- NY State governor blaming the unvaccinated,Cuomo policies killed many,no prosecution [NT] - eftg1 - 11:06am 12/14/21
- Fear is the overriding theme, as this will shut down critical thinking.Fraudci Mengele [NT] - eftg1 - 11:02am 12/14/21
  - Don't like study people. But I found this Dr Fauci interesting(intriguing). This is not first - Eli - 11:48am 12/14/21
    - Despite Almost 100% Vaxx-Rate, Cornell University Shuts Down Campus As Omicron Case Detected [NT] - eftg1 - 5:47pm 12/14/21