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That’s what you infer, not what I imply.

Author: LanceHarbor (14294 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:05 pm on Aug 14, 2018

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Just addressing GOAT’s canned support of the Catholic Church no matter what.

Replies to: "That’s what you infer, not what I imply."

Just skimmed the PA Grand Jury Catholic Clergy Sex Abuse Report. Knew two of the priests accused. - Aragoto - 4:18pm 8/14/18 (98) [View All]
- Gotta wonder how sex with children could ever become an orientation. - Curly1918 - 12:38pm 8/15/18
- Too many victims. Tons of great priests who have to hump the taint of the predators. - conorlarkin - 9:21pm 8/14/18
  - "Hump the taint"...may not be the best choice of words here. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 12:26pm 8/15/18
  - It is definitely a societal problem in a fallen world, but you can't compare the catholic church to [LINK] - IrishMac - 10:04am 8/15/18
    - The degree of betrayal of trust is more pronounced w/ the Church. - conorlarkin - 10:38am 8/15/18
      - That’s because the Church holds itself, and others properly hold it to a higher standard. - Frank L - 11:42am 8/15/18
    - I can respect the harsh purge POV. But progress is being made. Still not enough. - Aragoto - 10:26am 8/15/18
    - . [NT] - Aragoto - 10:23am 8/15/18
  - My faith isn’t tied to a church, especially a corrupt one. - LanceHarbor - 6:51am 8/15/18
    - Agree generally. “The Church” to me is its people, more so than Rome. - conorlarkin - 9:06am 8/15/18
      - Nice job of double speak [NT] - ColeyO - 1:42pm 8/15/18
        Not at all. [NT] - Aragoto - 1:50pm 8/15/18
      - Though that allows for movement to any Christian denomination. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 9:43am 8/15/18
        No chance. - conorlarkin - 10:03am 8/15/18
        Good on ya. Completely agree. I’m the worlds worst Catholic, but no way I’m leaving. [NT] - Frank L - 11:08am 8/15/18
    - Christ founded the Church. And said the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it. - Aragoto - 8:59am 8/15/18
      - Technically the people that wrote the Gospel of Matthew 50 years after Jesus's death wrote that. - LanceHarbor - 9:19am 8/15/18
        Don't let the Church door hit you on the way out lance. - Aragoto - 10:14am 8/15/18
  - I totally agree with every word of this post. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 11:35pm 8/14/18
  - What a pile of crap. Comparing Penn State, Mich.State, and Ohio State to atrocities of - ColeyO - 10:33pm 8/14/18
    - True. The church was much worse. [NT] - Chris94 - 10:28am 8/15/18
      - The Church is much bigger. The actual conduct may have been worse in the other instances, but not as - Frank L - 10:48am 8/15/18
      - Tell that to the MSU gymnasts. - Aragoto - 10:36am 8/15/18
    - The comparison is indeed appropriate. - conorlarkin - 6:09am 8/15/18
      - Don’t forget the Boy Scouts. [NT] - Aragoto - 8:51am 8/15/18
        Absolutely. [NT] - conorlarkin - 9:09am 8/15/18
    - Why do you say that? You know the size of the Church? Of course the allegations were more widespread - Frank L - 11:21pm 8/14/18
      - Your butt buddy CL was the one that brought up the comparison. BTW - ColeyO - 11:39pm 8/14/18
        Not to show that there is a problem top to bottom in virtually all institutions dealing with youth. - Frank L - 11:47pm 8/14/18
    - everybody needs to do better. - Aragoto - 10:41pm 8/14/18
  - It's amazing to me that having these so-called paragons committing horrible crimes, - Iggle - 10:00pm 8/14/18
    - If the sins of men shook one's faith, then Judas and Peter should have shut things down right away. - NedoftheHill - 10:59pm 8/14/18
      - I wonder if this is a candidate for Bayesian Analysis [LINK] - Iggle - 9:34am 8/15/18
        Just saw this. Good post. My thoughts within. - NedoftheHill - 3:42pm 8/16/18
        
        How does the fact that numerous humans committed heinous crimes impact whether - Frank L - 11:24am 8/15/18
        I should have said "Although this certainly has no bearing directly on whether God exists..." - Iggle - 2:22pm 8/15/18
        Yes you did toss the disclaimer in after first raising the subject. You can try to deflect, but..... - Frank L - 5:10pm 8/15/18
      - This is correct. The Church as a human institution has committed far worse in its history. - Frank L - 11:26pm 8/14/18
    - One of the priests I knew was molested as a child - Aragoto - 10:14pm 8/14/18
      - "Smart and compassionate" but diddled young black men. Define - ColeyO - 11:26pm 8/14/18
        I don’t excuse his behavior at all. Grow up. - Aragoto - 2:53am 8/15/18
  - We agree. - Aragoto - 9:37pm 8/14/18
  - The many good priests are also victims of the Church’s institutional failure as you point out. - Frank L - 9:30pm 8/14/18
- These numbers are stunning. Time to let priests marry. - Chris94 - 6:54pm 8/14/18
  - Finally, you say something that makes good sense [NT] - MarkHarman - 10:09pm 8/14/18
  - Marriage abates pedophelia? Then require all couples to marry. That’ll solve everything. [NT] - Aragoto - 7:01pm 8/14/18
    - The celibate priesthood attracts deviates. Seems pretty clear. - Chris94 - 7:20pm 8/14/18
      - It’s a societal problem. The Catholic Church is not immune. Awareness is the key.. [NT] - Aragoto - 8:16pm 8/14/18
        i guess the hundreds of victims just were not aware enough. It must - irishscooter - 9:05pm 8/14/18
        Conspiracy theories abound. - Aragoto - 9:20pm 8/14/18
        
        Absolutely false. Society was not sanctioning child fuckery. The church was. [NT] - Chris94 - 8:52pm 8/14/18
        I know a dozen people who were molested by their family members. They covered up. - Aragoto - 9:48pm 8/14/18
        This was a top-to-bottom institutional failure. - Chris94 - 10:30am 8/15/18
        Same could be said of society in general. - Aragoto - 10:48am 8/15/18
        
        Defend, Catholic soldier! [NT] - LanceHarbor - 8:17pm 8/14/18
        Your dismissiveness is telling. - Aragoto - 8:24pm 8/14/18
        Dismissive of a bunch of people who have covered up for monsters. - LanceHarbor - 8:31pm 8/14/18
        Seem harsh and statistically invalid. [NT] - Aragoto - 8:47pm 8/14/18
        Right. I should go easier on an organization still not coming to terms with protecting abusers. - LanceHarbor - 9:26pm 8/14/18
        Never said “go easier” . But why condemn the innocent? [NT] - Aragoto - 9:33pm 8/14/18
      - Re: The celibate priesthood attracts deviates. Seems pretty clear. - ColeyO - 7:34pm 8/14/18
        Running away from the Church into the arms of Mother Secular Humanism? - Aragoto - 8:18pm 8/14/18
        you misspelled some [NT] - ColeyO - 9:00pm 8/14/18
        
        Married priests would hardly be dishonorable. [NT] - Chris94 - 8:53pm 8/14/18
        Agreed. My great uncle was a married Catholic priest. [NT] - Aragoto - 9:22pm 8/14/18
    - Simpleton [NT] - LanceHarbor - 7:06pm 8/14/18
      - You are a soldier of Secular Humanism. [NT] - Aragoto - 1:51pm 8/15/18
- More than 300 priests in PA abused and molested CHILDREN. I wonder - irishscooter - 6:29pm 8/14/18
  - Horrific. But not a problem confined to the Catholic Church. [NT] - Aragoto - 6:33pm 8/14/18
    - . [NT] - Aragoto - 6:34pm 8/14/18
      - you are an infection on this board. Like malware but worse [NT] - irishscooter - 6:36pm 8/14/18
        No reason to suggest that. [NT] - Aragoto - 6:38pm 8/14/18
        I believe your democrat comment illustrates how you really trivialize - irishscooter - 6:49pm 8/14/18
        Acknowledged the disaster up front. The Democrat comment shows the absurdity of lance’s implication [NT] - Aragoto - 6:55pm 8/14/18
        What did I imply regarding political affiliation? - LanceHarbor - 8:40pm 8/14/18
        F em all you said. Hardly a balanced POV. [NT] - Aragoto - 8:50pm 8/14/18
        
        Blaming the entire Church for the actions of a few is absurd. - Aragoto - 8:46pm 8/14/18
        "a few." Again, you're a lunatic. - LanceHarbor - 9:34pm 8/14/18
        Lunatics accuse innocent people. Which you have done. [NT] - Aragoto - 9:44pm 8/14/18
        
        Statistically, the number isn’t great. That isn’t the point though. - Frank L - 9:42pm 8/14/18
- Prior to this report, would you have called those two priests “good?” [NT] - LanceHarbor - 5:59pm 8/14/18
  - So, you imply none of them should be called “good”. Typical. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:20pm 8/14/18
    - That’s what you infer, not what I imply. - LanceHarbor - 7:05pm 8/14/18
      - Not canned at all you pompous ass. - Aragoto - 7:30pm 8/14/18
        Your faith should have nothing to do with continued support of an organization... - LanceHarbor - 7:36pm 8/14/18
        .Well I actually just got out of Church. We prayed for victims of abuse. For good priests. - Aragoto - 8:23pm 8/14/18
        Already did, practically speaking. - LanceHarbor - 8:29pm 8/14/18
        Catholic bashing Notre Dame fan? Seems conflicting. - Aragoto - 8:39pm 8/14/18
        I am not a lawyer. You are on a roll. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 9:36pm 8/14/18
        Please tell me you are not an MBA. They are worse. [NT] - Aragoto - 9:50pm 8/14/18
        Nope. Never needed it. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 9:55pm 8/14/18
        That’s great for you. You seem to be doing everything right. [NT] - Aragoto - 10:05pm 8/14/18
    - Actually the two I knew were devout Democrats as well. [NT] - Aragoto - 6:35pm 8/14/18
    - I wonder how many more clergy and Bishops and Cardinals - irishscooter - 6:35pm 8/14/18
      - It’s a societal problem. Nobody gets a pass on this. [NT] - Aragoto - 6:42pm 8/14/18
        sure. Tell me this. If your young son was abused and raped by - irishscooter - 6:56pm 8/14/18
        I wouldn’t stop sending him to school. Or society. - Aragoto - 7:04pm 8/14/18
        Sure. [NT] - irishscooter - 7:08pm 8/14/18

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