Those policies have also created some of the greatest peacetime prosperity for the West.

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Those policies have also created some of the greatest peacetime prosperity for the West.

Author: Frank L (64690 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:53 pm on Dec 17, 2018

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You are willing to toss that away rather than mend it, for isolationist, nationalistic populism?

Like we haven’t seen what that leads to before.

That’s not turning the wheel. It’s hitting the accelerator to 120.

Replies to: "Those policies have also created some of the greatest peacetime prosperity for the West."

If sustained, can we win the trade war with China? - iairishcheeks - 12:59pm 12/16/18 (49) [View All]
- How do you define “win”? If you mean get some IP concessions, maybe. If you mean substantial change - Frank L - 10:17am 12/17/18
  - I asked the audience to define "win" as a part of their answer... [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:19pm 12/17/18
    - Whelp, I did answer it then. [NT] - Frank L - 12:42pm 12/17/18
      - Something to do with North Korea? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:49pm 12/17/18
        The results of both situations may well end up - Frank L - 1:32pm 12/17/18
- Who are "we?" Silicon Valley does not consider itself "American" but rather global. - Curly1918 - 9:30am 12/17/18
- We have been in a trade war for them for twenty years, and lost badly - Hank Scorpio - 10:59pm 12/16/18
- In case you are wondering why I haven't answered, it is because I have no idea what the answer is. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:19pm 12/16/18
- No one wins trade wars - Chris94 - 3:56pm 12/16/18
  - Would you say noone wins regular wars because there are costs? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:06pm 12/16/18
    - Trade wars are not regular wars. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:43am 12/17/18
      - Nice dodge. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:01pm 12/17/18
    - Nope. Up through WWII there were winners and losers [NT] - CC72 - 11:40pm 12/16/18
  - im generally for full fair and open trade, but china’s theft of US IP must be addressed. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 4:02pm 12/16/18
    - Explain how they are stealing US IP, and how you would stop it. [NT] - LehighND - 5:03pm 12/16/18
      - Do you really need this explained to you? [NT] - Hank Scorpio - 10:57pm 12/16/18
        You are useless. [NT] - LehighND - 12:42pm 12/17/18
      - Don't know if these are what Trump is getting at, but here is my experience. - NedoftheHill - 5:37pm 12/16/18
        Good stuff. Some replies. - LehighND - 1:22pm 12/17/18
        Follow up. - NedoftheHill - 8:38pm 12/17/18
        Thanks. That's good stuff. - LehighND - 2:23pm 12/18/18
        
        Trump already scuttled a trans Asia trade deal. Leaving China the winner. [NT] - Frank L - 9:58pm 12/17/18
        I think he's shown a willingness to revisit trade deals and make them better. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:02pm 12/17/18
        He’s shown more ability to fuck up those deals. Just stupid to pull out of that Pacific deal. [NT] - Frank L - 11:08pm 12/17/18
        Outline why that was bad? Do you think NAFTA2 is also bad? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:55am 12/18/18
        Bad, because it would have provided a trading bloc counterpart to China in Asia with us at the head - Frank L - 10:05am 12/18/18
        
        can’t go on better than that. i also know from personal experience at a former - WestCoastIrishFan - 8:22pm 12/16/18
        Yes, their courts generally ignore decisions of courts outside of China. - NedoftheHill - 9:54pm 12/16/18
- The Chinese are a closed society and right now do not create anything - Curly1918 - 3:36pm 12/16/18
  - Where in the world did you come up with such a bizarre notion? [NT] - LehighND - 5:02pm 12/16/18
    - Creativity only thrives in an environment of an open exchange of information - Curly1918 - 9:27am 12/17/18
  - They actually create lots of things. [NT] - Chris94 - 3:56pm 12/16/18
    - I opened this post expecting to see a list of recent Chinese creations [NT] - Curly1918 - 9:21am 12/17/18
    - Yes, but his point still has merit. - NedoftheHill - 10:17pm 12/16/18
- Unfortunately, no - CC72 - 3:36pm 12/16/18
- It seems so, but I've asked in the past for specifics of what people consider victory. - LehighND - 1:57pm 12/16/18
  - I don't know what needs to be done, but I know Dems & GOP want the status quo, which isn't working. - NedoftheHill - 10:25pm 12/16/18
    - I think any reasonable person would agree with that. - LehighND - 8:07pm 12/17/18
    - What you regularly fail to take in account is that the “change” may even be worse. Czarist Russia - Frank L - 4:28pm 12/17/18
      - I do take that into account, but I think GOP & Dem policies are taking us to worse places already. - NedoftheHill - 8:46pm 12/17/18
        Those policies have also created some of the greatest peacetime prosperity for the West. - Frank L - 9:53pm 12/17/18
        And now squandering that. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:03pm 12/17/18
        So what’s he replacing it with that’s better? Outline the policy and why it’s better. [NT] - Frank L - 11:08pm 12/17/18
        You haven't been following him? How about correcting trade imbalances and repealing regulations. - NedoftheHill - 12:37am 12/18/18
        At what cost correcting trade imbalances, to what demonstrable benefit? - Frank L - 8:54am 12/18/18
        "Repealing regulation is a standard R message"...that the R's never make good on. - NedoftheHill - 9:57am 12/18/18
        The cost is going to be a slowdown of the economy. How big is the question. - Frank L - 10:14am 12/18/18
        Bubble is bursting anyway. Looking pretty grim right now. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:06pm 12/18/18
  - disagree. adherence to WTO courts would be a win. additionally, - WestCoastIrishFan - 10:19pm 12/16/18