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Nice dodge.

Author: NedoftheHill (44682 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 11:01 pm on Dec 17, 2018

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "Nice dodge."

If sustained, can we win the trade war with China? - iairishcheeks - 12:59pm 12/16/18 (49) [View All]
- How do you define “win”? If you mean get some IP concessions, maybe. If you mean substantial change - Frank L - 10:17am 12/17/18
  - I asked the audience to define "win" as a part of their answer... [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:19pm 12/17/18
    - Whelp, I did answer it then. [NT] - Frank L - 12:42pm 12/17/18
      - Something to do with North Korea? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:49pm 12/17/18
        The results of both situations may well end up - Frank L - 1:32pm 12/17/18
- Who are "we?" Silicon Valley does not consider itself "American" but rather global. - Curly1918 - 9:30am 12/17/18
- We have been in a trade war for them for twenty years, and lost badly - Hank Scorpio - 10:59pm 12/16/18
- In case you are wondering why I haven't answered, it is because I have no idea what the answer is. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:19pm 12/16/18
- No one wins trade wars - Chris94 - 3:56pm 12/16/18
  - Would you say noone wins regular wars because there are costs? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:06pm 12/16/18
    - Trade wars are not regular wars. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:43am 12/17/18
      - Nice dodge. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:01pm 12/17/18
    - Nope. Up through WWII there were winners and losers [NT] - CC72 - 11:40pm 12/16/18
  - im generally for full fair and open trade, but china’s theft of US IP must be addressed. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 4:02pm 12/16/18
    - Explain how they are stealing US IP, and how you would stop it. [NT] - LehighND - 5:03pm 12/16/18
      - Do you really need this explained to you? [NT] - Hank Scorpio - 10:57pm 12/16/18
        You are useless. [NT] - LehighND - 12:42pm 12/17/18
      - Don't know if these are what Trump is getting at, but here is my experience. - NedoftheHill - 5:37pm 12/16/18
        Good stuff. Some replies. - LehighND - 1:22pm 12/17/18
        Follow up. - NedoftheHill - 8:38pm 12/17/18
        Thanks. That's good stuff. - LehighND - 2:23pm 12/18/18
        
        Trump already scuttled a trans Asia trade deal. Leaving China the winner. [NT] - Frank L - 9:58pm 12/17/18
        I think he's shown a willingness to revisit trade deals and make them better. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:02pm 12/17/18
        He’s shown more ability to fuck up those deals. Just stupid to pull out of that Pacific deal. [NT] - Frank L - 11:08pm 12/17/18
        Outline why that was bad? Do you think NAFTA2 is also bad? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:55am 12/18/18
        Bad, because it would have provided a trading bloc counterpart to China in Asia with us at the head - Frank L - 10:05am 12/18/18
        
        can’t go on better than that. i also know from personal experience at a former - WestCoastIrishFan - 8:22pm 12/16/18
        Yes, their courts generally ignore decisions of courts outside of China. - NedoftheHill - 9:54pm 12/16/18
- The Chinese are a closed society and right now do not create anything - Curly1918 - 3:36pm 12/16/18
  - Where in the world did you come up with such a bizarre notion? [NT] - LehighND - 5:02pm 12/16/18
    - Creativity only thrives in an environment of an open exchange of information - Curly1918 - 9:27am 12/17/18
  - They actually create lots of things. [NT] - Chris94 - 3:56pm 12/16/18
    - I opened this post expecting to see a list of recent Chinese creations [NT] - Curly1918 - 9:21am 12/17/18
    - Yes, but his point still has merit. - NedoftheHill - 10:17pm 12/16/18
- Unfortunately, no - CC72 - 3:36pm 12/16/18
- It seems so, but I've asked in the past for specifics of what people consider victory. - LehighND - 1:57pm 12/16/18
  - I don't know what needs to be done, but I know Dems & GOP want the status quo, which isn't working. - NedoftheHill - 10:25pm 12/16/18
    - I think any reasonable person would agree with that. - LehighND - 8:07pm 12/17/18
    - What you regularly fail to take in account is that the “change” may even be worse. Czarist Russia - Frank L - 4:28pm 12/17/18
      - I do take that into account, but I think GOP & Dem policies are taking us to worse places already. - NedoftheHill - 8:46pm 12/17/18
        Those policies have also created some of the greatest peacetime prosperity for the West. - Frank L - 9:53pm 12/17/18
        And now squandering that. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:03pm 12/17/18
        So what’s he replacing it with that’s better? Outline the policy and why it’s better. [NT] - Frank L - 11:08pm 12/17/18
        You haven't been following him? How about correcting trade imbalances and repealing regulations. - NedoftheHill - 12:37am 12/18/18
        At what cost correcting trade imbalances, to what demonstrable benefit? - Frank L - 8:54am 12/18/18
        "Repealing regulation is a standard R message"...that the R's never make good on. - NedoftheHill - 9:57am 12/18/18
        The cost is going to be a slowdown of the economy. How big is the question. - Frank L - 10:14am 12/18/18
        Bubble is bursting anyway. Looking pretty grim right now. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:06pm 12/18/18
  - disagree. adherence to WTO courts would be a win. additionally, - WestCoastIrishFan - 10:19pm 12/16/18