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I just don't get the people who are willing to go to the mattresses over the "wall" issue.

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 9:03 am on Jan 9, 2019
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Here's why.

1. First of all, President Trump, like it or not, was elected with this as one of his primary issues. Clearly, a very significant portion of voters support the action.

2. It's 5 - 6 billion dollars for cripes sake! That's a drop in the ocean. The government wastes hundreds of billions of dollars on all kinds of items that are highly questionable, if not, useless. Even if there is a small possibility of it making a positive impact, it's worth taking a flier on. Just do it already.

3. There are already walls or barriers all up and down the southern border. Ever been to El Paso? In principle we don't let people just walk freely over the border. Not the Canadian Border. Not the Mexican border. What the Hell is the difference in adding a little more barrier? In addition, we have always had border patrol to control crossings as well. Bottom line is that some additional barrier (whether you think it is effective or not) is something we have always done, will continue to do and both parties have always been more than willing to fund.

4. I completely reject the idea that increasing barriers to prevent uncontrolled crossings is somehow racist. This is just silly and not an intelligent position. Again, we already do this. We have laws on the books to prevent it. If there were a similar problem on the northern border, we would do the same thing. Well, actually we already do. Crossings at the northern border ARE controlled. It's just that additional measures are required in different places to effectively control it.

5. Nobody is proposing that we don't let people in from Mexico, Honduras or wherever. The point is to just make it a controlled and documented process. This is a reasonable position that reasonable people should be able to agree on. I'm sure they do in fact.

6. It is pretty obvious to me that this is all political posturing. The Democrats are being obtuse because they don't want to give Trump a "victory". This is just silly. Fund the damn thing already and move on. Is it really worth all of the hand-wringing and entrenching themselves into immovable positions?

It's just frustrating and I'm tired of hearing about it. It's just plain stupid. Fund it and move on.


I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.

Replies to: "I just don't get the people who are willing to go to the mattresses over the "wall" issue."

  • I just don't get the people who are willing to go to the mattresses over the "wall" issue. - NDavenue - 9:03am 1/9/19 (66) [View All]
    • The issue is whether the President should hold the government hostage over it. - conorlarkin - 11:56am 1/9/19
      • As I tell my children, it takes two people to fight. - iairishcheeks - 12:39pm 1/9/19
        • So you let your child hide the clicker, and deny TV to household until .... - conorlarkin - 3:17pm 1/9/19
          • Of course not, my children are well behaved. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 3:39pm 1/9/19
            • Unlike Trump .... who happens to be a US President. Hence, my point. [NT] - conorlarkin - 3:56pm 1/9/19
              • "But he started it!" [NT] - iairishcheeks - 4:44pm 1/9/19
        • How so? There had already been a bipartisan solution to keep the govt - Frank L - 12:45pm 1/9/19
          • It's pretty simple. - iairishcheeks - 1:23pm 1/9/19
            • How’s he going to claim victory? They already offered him $25 billion worth of Wall for DACA which - Frank L - 5:13pm 1/9/19
            • The Dems are in a hissy fit over 10 minutes worth of .gov border spending - CC72 - 2:26pm 1/9/19
              • Trump is throwing the hissy fit. The Dems are just refusing to appease the tantrum. [NT] - LehighND - 7:06pm 1/9/19
      • Bingo. Give the man a kewpie doll. [NT] - Frank L - 11:58am 1/9/19
    • Surprised you'd blame the uneducated racists at Trump rallies who chant "Build the Wall". Smh. [NT] - ND521 - 11:40am 1/9/19
      • Tear down the border wall at San Diego and invite everyone to cross in - CC72 - 2:28pm 1/9/19
    • Everything is about "identity politics." - Curly1918 - 11:19am 1/9/19
    • I'll bet you thought that was a great line, didn't you? - jimbasil - 11:14am 1/9/19
      • Very cogent argument. [NT] - NDavenue - 11:24am 1/9/19
        • Then give me something to work with. [NT] - jimbasil - 11:40am 1/9/19
    • When did Candidate Don say the American taxpayer was going to pay for the wall? - Rooney - 11:07am 1/9/19
      • I think the vast majority of Trump voters understood it was hyperbole. [NT] - NDavenue - 11:30am 1/9/19
        • Yeah sure, hyperbole - his base actually thought when voting for him, it's just hyperbole - jimbasil - 11:39am 1/9/19
        • Respectfully, I think you give the vast majority of Trump voters too much credit. - Rooney - 11:37am 1/9/19
          • The base yes. The left underestimates how many votes he could get, not from supporters, - Frank L - 11:44am 1/9/19
            • I think you are spot on. That has been my point for 2 years now. - NDavenue - 1:03pm 1/9/19
            • I know I shouldn't say this, because a Biden-Trump election would be fun, but Biden is unelectable. [NT] [IMAGE] - NedoftheHill - 11:57am 1/9/19
              • Bring that shit on. Would love to see the fight over who is the bigger dirtbag. [NT] - Frank L - 11:59am 1/9/19
                • Agreed. Would be fun. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:49pm 1/9/19
        • Not a valid reason to close down the govt when you can’t back up yer hyperbole! [NT] - Frank L - 11:33am 1/9/19
    • Mostly fair points. But look at it from the other side. Orange has been a petulant child over this. - Frank L - 10:49am 1/9/19
      • I also think the Dems could play it more in their favor if they agree to fund it. - NDavenue - 11:39am 1/9/19
        • Here’s my prediction. The shutdown is unsustainable past this month. - Frank L - 11:47am 1/9/19
          • Here is my perfect scenario on that. - NedoftheHill - 1:57pm 1/9/19
          • That is a very real possibility. Maybe even likely. [NT] - NDavenue - 1:00pm 1/9/19
          • Not a bad prediction. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:59am 1/9/19
      • I guess we'll see where it goes. I think it will hurts Dems though. [NT] - NDavenue - 11:33am 1/9/19
    • So it's Democrats going to the mattresses over the wall, is it? - Chris94 - 10:41am 1/9/19
      • Sorry. I meant in terms of opposing it. I assume everyone expected Trump to do it. - NDavenue - 11:28am 1/9/19
    • Answers. - LehighND - 10:14am 1/9/19
      • Lehigh, why do you think the Democrats changed their minds on the wall? Just b/c Trump likes it? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:02pm 1/9/19
        • I don't understand the question. - LehighND - 6:55pm 1/9/19
          • He is proposing basically the same stuff in the Democratic Party Platform from 2008 quoted earlier. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:59pm 1/9/19
            • Evasive and disingenuous. What did the platform propose, and what is Trump proposing? [NT] - LehighND - 7:03pm 1/9/19
              • Because I referenced my earlier post which laid out the Dem/Trump platform? - NedoftheHill - 12:56am 1/10/19
      • Do you actually know anything - WoodstockIrish - 1:36pm 1/9/19
        • I've asked a million times for some to explain what he is planning to spend the 5.6 billion on. - LehighND - 7:01pm 1/9/19
          • Um, you're asking people on this board.... - Domer From Hell - 8:37pm 1/9/19
            • I doubt "Woodie" has read the plan, analyzed the economics of it. - LehighND - 12:50am 1/10/19
              • Re: I doubt "Woodie" has read the plan, analyzed the economics of it. - WoodstockIrish - 12:08pm 1/10/19
          • Wall, a couple hundred border agents, and some other stuff. They gave a list of stuff on the radio. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 7:08pm 1/9/19
        • I balee he has an engineering degree. Do you? [NT] - Frank L - 5:17pm 1/9/19
          • I do. But, even a history degree would be useful here. - NedoftheHill - 7:03pm 1/9/19
            • I'm pretty sure I am not acting like that. Do you have a link where I act like that? - LehighND - 1:01am 1/10/19
            • Did I ask you? - Frank L - 8:32pm 1/9/19
      • Your bias is transparent. This is all about you not liking Trump. "Spoiled child"? That dog won't hu - NDavenue - 10:25am 1/9/19
        • I didn't think "spoiled child" was even contested by his supporters. [NT] - LehighND - 10:33am 1/9/19
          • It's a term of endearment in some circles. [NT] - Rooney - 11:13am 1/9/19
      • 39% favor the border wall. [LINK] - LehighND - 10:24am 1/9/19
        • That is a poorly asked question. I wonder how many of them know there already is a wall. - NedoftheHill - 12:01pm 1/9/19
    • The dems are going to come out on the losing end of this ordeal... - IrishMac - 9:48am 1/9/19
      • Nope, almost 2/3rds of the country agree with them. [NT] - Frank L - 10:50am 1/9/19
    • Well said. Good summary of the situation. This is all purely political, and nothing to do w/border. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:13am 1/9/19
      • The Dems are misguided and believe Trump will lose his base if he doesn't get the wall. - NDavenue - 10:30am 1/9/19
        • Actually it was Orange who was misguided over that. Went wobbly and wussy when Ann and Rush yelled - Frank L - 11:38am 1/9/19
      • So stick to the status quo? - LehighND - 10:15am 1/9/19
        • There is a wall, but perhaps the Dems would like to vote on tearing it down? Cause after all you - WoodstockIrish - 1:39pm 1/9/19
        • That is the political victory the Dems are looking for. Trump is looking for the opposite. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:54am 1/9/19
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