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I didn't disagree with you. Also, the image isn't edited; its wikimedia

Author: NedoftheHill (44670 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)
Posted at 9:30 am on Feb 10, 2019
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First, the title of my post just indicated that the US is no longer the primary country which is driving CO2 up. Ever been to a city of 20 million in Asia? You can barely breathe. They've got hundreds of millions of 2-cycle scooters pumping CO2 into the air every day, and their factory regulations are not as strong as ours. I oppose a regime that tries to solve the spike you show by regulating us more than them, because it will not solve the spike and it will just sacrifice our country for theirs, and I don't think that is a long term good for the world. What is your solution?

Then, I said that humans picked a bad time to start smoking...meaning, we started generating CO2 at the top of the CO2 cycle...and, if going higher is bad, we picked a bad time to drive it higher. Granted, that is because we had to be warm for that to even start happening, so it was inevitable that that happen, I thing. But, my statement by itself did not challenge your post at all. It just lamented reality.

Also, I removed nothing. I pulled an image from wikipedia which shows the cyclic nature of the situation. As far as the NASA graph (which omits the bottom half of the graph to make it more persuasive in a misleading way...just sayin'), I can only hope that the spike is because we changed how we measure CO2 exactly precisely when the spike happens (from ice cores to direct measurement). But, if that is not the reason, there could be a problem. Of course, when we run out of oil in 50 years (a blip in the timeline), the spike will likely disappear over the next few hundred years (as it always has in the past), and we may even return to the natural cycle, which would totally suck because it would get pretty damned cold. Humanity flourishes at the top of the spike, not the bottom. Obviously, though, like any species, we have a goldilocks zone, and going too far outside that zone, on the top or bottom, can't be good. We'll just have to adapt, but I think long term change is the only long term constant.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "I didn't disagree with you. Also, the image isn't edited; its wikimedia"

  • Evidence of Viking barley farms in Greenland 800 yrs ago when Climate was warmer. [LINK] - BaronVonZemo - 9:14am 2/9/19 (51) [View All]
    • Here are some true statements: - Iggle - 1:18pm 2/9/19
      • Your statements have nothing to do this new fact found in Greenland. - Eli - 10:56pm 2/9/19
        • Are you contending that the current increase in CO2 is a lagged effect from the last Ice Age? - Iggle - 11:15am 2/10/19
          • Climate skeptic's thinking isn't linear single variable causal determinism. Alarmists tend to think - Eli - 2:08pm 2/10/19
            • Thank you, Eli Bachmann [NT] - jimbasil - 6:02pm 2/10/19
              • Welcome again, Jim Alarmist. I said this stuff 5 years ago, but never expect you to understand it. [NT] [LINK] - Eli - 8:10pm 2/10/19
        • There are no words for the inaneness of your post. [NT] - jimbasil - 11:02pm 2/9/19
          • No word please. words lie. Math doesn't. CO2 emitted by man is easy to get, increased CO2 in air - Eli - 11:31pm 2/9/19
          • Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 11:07pm 2/9/19
      • the question is; What to do about it? - Hank the Tank - 6:38pm 2/9/19
        • I like it, good start Hank [NT] - ShowMeIrish - 8:49pm 2/9/19
          • I used to work with a guy who believed that. He wanted to get rid of a third of all humans. - NedoftheHill - 10:02am 2/10/19
            • Nature will take care of it. - AlbanyIRISH - 5:52pm 2/10/19
      • It is a multi-systemic issue. [NT] [LINK] - Aragoto - 5:26pm 2/9/19
      • Not sure anything can be done until China decides to do it. [IMAGE] - NedoftheHill - 4:08pm 2/9/19
        • If you look at what your CO2 graph actually looks like now [LINK] - Iggle - 4:52pm 2/9/19
          • I didn't disagree with you. Also, the image isn't edited; its wikimedia - NedoftheHill - 9:30am 2/10/19
      • I don’t disagree but you only see the negatives. What about the increase in human quality of life - PBHangingChad - 3:30pm 2/9/19
        • Who said anything about denying them power? [NT] - Iggle - 4:54pm 2/9/19
        • Just let them all come here. That is their right, after all. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:56pm 2/9/19
      • Surprise, surprise. [NT] - jimbasil - 2:23pm 2/9/19
      • Excellent post. - conorlarkin - 1:26pm 2/9/19
        • Not if you were living in Africa or some other third world nation. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 3:34pm 2/9/19
          • Yes. The people beyond the wall love typhoons and tsunamis. [NT] - conorlarkin - 3:48pm 2/9/19
            • So we caused that but they shouldn’t enjoy a better standard of living. You are the definition of - PBHangingChad - 4:10pm 2/9/19
              • A remarkable post. - jimbasil - 11:07pm 2/9/19
                • Take America back 100 years and where would this country be without fossil fuels? - PBHangingChad - 11:21pm 2/9/19
              • Are you on meth??? - conorlarkin - 5:01pm 2/9/19
            • That's pretty funny. - NedoftheHill - 4:02pm 2/9/19
    • Make Greenland great again...and that's good for America how? - ND_in_DRO - 9:20am 2/9/19
      • So in 100 years the sea will rise here in FL 14 feet? That will give me beachfront property. My - PBHangingChad - 9:40am 2/9/19
        • A solid Blue State!! About time! [NT] - conorlarkin - 9:57am 2/9/19
        • There is science proving that if we don't stop increasing CO2, temps will keep rising - ND_in_DRO - 9:49am 2/9/19
          • Yet here is scientific fact which flies in the face of what you have been told. Remember ATL, - BaronVonZemo - 10:26am 2/9/19
            • Let’s see if you use critical thinking - why would anyone want to give up - jimbasil - 2:19pm 2/9/19
          • I don’t understand the climate change people the real immediate problem is Plastics - PBHangingChad - 9:55am 2/9/19
            • Indeed. Pollution control is what should unite us, not a faux political religion governed by zealots [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 10:00am 2/9/19
              • So I take it you are opposed to Trump's rollback of the Clean Water Act? [NT] - ND_in_DRO - 10:29am 2/9/19
                • Yes I am, in fact. I am out of town until tomorrow night so I'll gladly answer the - BaronVonZemo - 5:31pm 2/9/19
                • Having a view on pollution/plastics has nothing to do with the highest level of water quality in US. - NedoftheHill - 4:17pm 2/9/19
      • The point........................................................................................you - TakethetrainKnute - 9:33am 2/9/19
        • The climate can change naturally.... - ND_in_DRO - 9:38am 2/9/19
          • You seem to be getting it now. - TakethetrainKnute - 9:50am 2/9/19
            • We need to start building a great and beautiful wall a hundred miles in from the East Coast. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:19pm 2/9/19
          • Both Straw Man and False Dichotomy fallacies in the same post. You’re being a “Bitter Clinger” - BaronVonZemo - 9:46am 2/9/19
      • It’s a natural cycle that we can’t change and thus shouldn’t use to justify taxes. In fact, if we - BaronVonZemo - 9:31am 2/9/19
        • Is ocean acidification natural also? - ND_in_DRO - 9:36am 2/9/19
          • Implicitly Include in these cycles is increased/decreased salinity. Ozone is pollution issue..... - BaronVonZemo - 9:40am 2/9/19
            • Please explain this graph [IMAGE] - ND_in_DRO - 9:46am 2/9/19
              • Two things can indeed occur simultaneously and not be causal or impactful in degrees of significance - BaronVonZemo - 9:56am 2/9/19
                • Data is from NOAA [NT] - ND_in_DRO - 10:24am 2/9/19
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