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In every war there are casualties. The alternative is do nothing and let China eat out lunch
Author:
PBHangingChad
(15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 2:05 pm on May 21, 2019
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Replies to: "In every war there are casualties. The alternative is do nothing and let China eat out lunch"
Does Trump have a strategy to win the trade war?
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iairishcheeks
- 1:52pm 5/21/19
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I don't think it is difficult.
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LehighND
- 3:31pm 5/21/19
Agreed.
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NedoftheHill
- 3:59pm 5/21/19
I agreed without your sarcasm it's actually not difficult. (5G war is really more chellenging to us)
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Eli
- 3:47pm 5/21/19
Even with a touch of snark, I meant what I said.
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LehighND
- 3:50pm 5/21/19
The fear of tariffs led global companies to bring back jobs to the U.S. almost immediately.
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NedoftheHill
- 3:08pm 5/21/19
you are correct. the winners will be other low wage countries and US manufacturing. there was a .
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WestCoastIrishFan
- 9:09pm 5/21/19
It speaks volumes for our politicians that it takes a dufus like Trump to point out a problem
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Hank Scorpio
- 3:04pm 5/21/19
For now until it impacts GDP and the Dow. That number will then crater fast.
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Frank L
- 4:12pm 5/21/19
I know cops and firefighters and they'll still support him.
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Cole
- 4:42pm 5/21/19
Likely true.
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Frank L
- 5:07pm 5/21/19
Just continue the war. China's withdrawal of commitments is due to internal - Xi isn't politically
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Eli
- 2:54pm 5/21/19
I think those Iowa farmers will look at the radical left option on the other side and
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Cole
- 2:37pm 5/21/19
Iowa voted for Dukakis, Clinton twice, Gore and Obama twice.
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iairishcheeks
- 2:55pm 5/21/19
Trump won by 10 points.
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Cole
- 2:59pm 5/21/19
Only because Hills was so terrible.
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iairishcheeks
- 3:45pm 5/21/19
And yet she received more votes than any Republican in history...
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LehighND
- 3:48pm 5/21/19
And still lost to Trump.
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iairishcheeks
- 3:54pm 5/21/19
Except Joe Biden is very well known and liked in the state and isn’t hard left.
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Frank L
- 2:45pm 5/21/19
Not hard left, but not particularly well liked. He's
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ColeyO
- 2:56pm 5/21/19
He’s a career pol with some shadiness that is true. Nowhere near Orange though.
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Frank L
- 4:27pm 5/21/19
He just said that taxpayers should have to fund abortions.
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Cole
- 2:54pm 5/21/19
He wears his Laetare well....
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TakethetrainKnute
- 3:05pm 5/21/19
I saw the movie Hesburgh. I am trying to be fair and I will admit that I now better understand
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Cole
- 3:15pm 5/21/19
So? What does that have to do with Iowa farmers? They would have voted for any D other than Hills
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Frank L
- 2:57pm 5/21/19
You insult farmers by thinking they are single-issue (trade) voters. They are not.
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Cole
- 3:00pm 5/21/19
I get farm income from corn and soy beans. 170 acres worth. My neighbors are all farmers.
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Frank L
- 3:04pm 5/21/19
OMG, you're an expert on farmers bc you know a couple! Makes me an expert on cops and firefighters!
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Cole
- 3:13pm 5/21/19
No numbnuts, I live amongst them. I talk to them most days. You? Yet you, not me,
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Frank L
- 3:17pm 5/21/19
He fundamentally misunderstood that they won’t fold to him. He doesn’t know/understand them at all.
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Frank L
- 2:13pm 5/21/19
Have you ever done business with China? I have. They steal you blind and are corrupt.
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PBHangingChad
- 2:37pm 5/21/19
Go on.......you think they are going to give Orange any type of real victory here? Command systems
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Frank L
- 2:42pm 5/21/19
They will agree to a deal because it’s hurting China. But I agree they will cheat. What would you
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PBHangingChad
- 2:49pm 5/21/19
I would get a coalition of nations to go after them at the WTO. Oh yeah, nevermind, that requires
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Frank L
- 2:53pm 5/21/19
China entered the WTO in 2001, numerous complaints later nothing done. Yeah that WTO is fearsome
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PBHangingChad
- 3:11pm 5/21/19
Stop making excuses. No one had tried concerted pressure from an alliance of nations.
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Frank L
- 3:14pm 5/21/19
Isn’t the WTO a confederation of trading nations. Have they not in force under Bush and Obama
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PBHangingChad
- 3:26pm 5/21/19
Again, concerted pressure has never been tried. It should be.
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Frank L
- 3:57pm 5/21/19
Where has WTO ruled against China in 18 yrs Mr Chamberland to change?
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PBHangingChad
- 4:15pm 5/21/19
I’m talking about forcing them too. Only way to real change.
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Frank L
- 4:21pm 5/21/19
What if we sent all of our food exports to Africa for a couple months?
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iairishcheeks
- 2:22pm 5/21/19
That would be quite the escalation with some uncertain results, no?
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Frank L
- 2:24pm 5/21/19
It would, but it's seemingly the only real bargaining power we have.
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iairishcheeks
- 2:56pm 5/21/19
In every war there are casualties. The alternative is do nothing and let China eat out lunch
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PBHangingChad
- 2:05pm 5/21/19
Sounds like Vietnam.
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iairishcheeks
- 2:16pm 5/21/19
Food is the single biggest export from the US. No doubt the food industry will be most hurt by this.
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NedoftheHill
- 3:11pm 5/21/19
China is buying only agri from the US. It’s the stealing of technology that will all ow them to
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PBHangingChad
- 2:30pm 5/21/19
Then let’s stop giving them the stolen technology. Prohibit companies doing business there from
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Frank L
- 2:48pm 5/21/19
I don't think that is a workable solution (to just prohibit companies from giving their technology).
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NedoftheHill
- 3:12pm 5/21/19
It would be workable enough to do it in the form of an embargo.
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Frank L
- 4:10pm 5/21/19
Fine then do that, except no way the big O will touch that.
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Frank L
- 2:55pm 5/21/19
Maybe all those people with a 33% increase in their 401k’s will take their place next election
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PBHangingChad
- 2:58pm 5/21/19
The stock market is actually down since the beginning of the trade war.
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LehighND
- 3:27pm 5/21/19
Until like under W and Vice that disappears which it will if this continues.
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Frank L
- 3:01pm 5/21/19
Well hope for a collapse so you will be proven right. That’s un American
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PBHangingChad
- 3:08pm 5/21/19
It’s not unAmerican to predict the economic impact of a protracted war with a trading partner the
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Frank L
- 3:12pm 5/21/19
Try being honest for once you hope Trump caves on China and the economy collapses.
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PBHangingChad
- 3:31pm 5/21/19
Which again shows you know nothing. I hope he gets a face saving deal and abandons this stupidity.
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Frank L
- 3:49pm 5/21/19
That’s an option and many US company’s are leaving China, let’s see what Apple does.
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PBHangingChad
- 2:52pm 5/21/19
Yep, we must destroy the village to save the village.
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Frank L
- 2:19pm 5/21/19
It wasn't tried Wall St and your globalists buddies were making too much money.
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PBHangingChad
- 2:34pm 5/21/19
It wasn’t tried because everyone knew the end result, well most anyway.
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Frank L
- 2:40pm 5/21/19
Yes we are a command economy, China is an export economy. We have a 3.2% GDP and
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PBHangingChad
- 2:56pm 5/21/19
Except their govt will endure the pain. You think our consumers will? And what will that 3.2 look
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Frank L
- 2:59pm 5/21/19
They do indeed have the advantage of not having to win elections.
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iairishcheeks
- 3:47pm 5/21/19
Like the Japanese would fight to the death but the US is weak and would sue for peace?
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PBHangingChad
- 3:06pm 5/21/19
If China starts a sneak attack shooting war they will get the same.
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Frank L
- 3:10pm 5/21/19
Once again my point right over your head. China will take pain we won’t. That’s what you said. The
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PBHangingChad
- 3:35pm 5/21/19
Economic pain in a discretionary trade war is not the same as a response to a sneak military attack.
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Frank L
- 3:47pm 5/21/19
And let them continue to buy our Treasuries.
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golfernot
- 2:16pm 5/21/19
We don’t need China to buy our treasuries. Why are you all so fearful of upsetting the Chinese?
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PBHangingChad
- 2:33pm 5/21/19
Because they are our largest supplier and creditor, maybe?
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Frank L
- 2:50pm 5/21/19
They won’t be soon. You gave up. You are with that group that China’s destiny is to dominate. Defeat
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PBHangingChad
- 3:02pm 5/21/19
They will never dominate. It’s not a zero sum game. They will rival....for a while.
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Frank L
- 3:07pm 5/21/19
Ok, but we have to try to rival them as well. I think that's what's happening now.
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NedoftheHill
- 3:26pm 5/21/19
Perhaps, but not in a smart way.
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Frank L
- 3:59pm 5/21/19
Perhaps. Perhaps not. We won't know until we see results. This may be the smart way.
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NedoftheHill
- 11:21pm 5/21/19
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PBHangingChad
- 3:03pm 5/21/19