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They are not just fine.

Author: MAS (21444 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 1:59 pm on Sep 8, 2019
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I just saw the stats on this. Humanities majors are falling behind their cohorts in the job market. Understand, I despise the effort, mostly from the Right, to make college into job training. However, you're either "privileged" or delusional if you argue that job prospects should not be a variable in making the decision about a major or even going to college. Telling prospective college students who consider entering the humanities or social sciences, "Do your work, graduate, and you'll be fine" is irresponsible. Statistically, a whole lot of those people will not be fine. Many will end up working low-paying jobs after emerging from college, sometimes working alongside people in the same or similar positions, who never attended college, without the debt of the college graduates. This can't be repeated enough: the smart, ambitious college graduates would outpace most of their peers, even if they had never attended college. It's great that they attended college, but then assuming that most of the rest would also be best served in attending four-year colleges does not follow.

And here's the other thing to consider: if college is about education and producing better, informed citizens, are our universities doing that, in general? I think it's clear that they are not generally doing that. The level of ignorance, some of which is measured, is astounding for students who spent five years at institutions of higher learning. And the levels of apathy are similarly astounding. Millennials, for all the big talk, ended up being mostly no-shows at the ballot box and pale in comparison even to their parents' generation in terms of civic engagement.

It would be one thing if we saw college students graduating and demonstrating that they received fine educations. That's not what's happening. And for some of them, and this will sound hyperbolic, but they've emerged dumber than when they arrived, if they've had the misfortune to be re-educated into the dopey grievance belief system that permeates public universities and elite private universities, from the administrative level down. Four-year degrees are the most overrated product in the US, right now.


Replies to: "They are not just fine."

  • MIT covered up its relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. [LINK] - MAS - 9:49pm 9/7/19 (57) [View All]
    • Ronan Farrow is an actual reporter - very rare. Universities are completely beholden to $$ - BaronVonZemo - 6:34am 9/9/19
    • OT but relevant. Another masterpiece by VDH on America's universities [NT] [LINK] - Eli - 10:08pm 9/7/19
      • Professor Hanson is shouting into the wind - Curly1918 - 9:59am 9/8/19
      • VDH essays are always welcome. No one has had a better bead on American politics... - MAS - 12:21am 9/8/19
        • He gets it, I love to see interviews with him. Not one liberal professor could handle him in a - THEISMANCARR - 12:51pm 9/8/19
        • Why do people pay great sums of money for humanities or social science degrees? - NedoftheHill - 10:13am 9/8/19
          • Amen. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:38am 9/9/19
          • tax write-off [NT] - Hank the Tank - 2:34pm 9/8/19
            • Not tax deductible [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:10pm 9/8/19
          • It's even more reprehensible at the graduate level. - MAS - 2:04pm 9/8/19
            • Fact check: PhD programs do not result in debt - Chris94 - 10:28pm 9/8/19
              • Untrue - MAS - 11:46pm 9/8/19
                • Small loans might be necessary to get you through. Not crushing debt. - Chris94 - 12:32am 9/9/19
                  • “Crushing debt” is relative to what they will make for their degree. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:39am 9/9/19
                    • He wrote “more reprehensible.” Which is ridiculous. [NT] - Chris94 - 7:46am 9/9/19
            • do I recall you are a teacher? [NT] - irishscooter - 4:48pm 9/8/19
              • Yes: Mr. Hand. [NT] - MAS - 4:56pm 9/8/19
                • A noble profession with many non-monetary benefits. Do you - irishscooter - 5:09pm 9/8/19
                  • Don't over-romanticize it. - MAS - 5:22pm 9/8/19
                    • I was just trying to make you feel better since you seem - irishscooter - 6:07pm 9/8/19
                    • fantastic little treatise. - und67 - 5:45pm 9/8/19
          • Because it’s education, not training - Chris94 - 10:18am 9/8/19
            • it should be. But the sheer cost has changed the dynamic. Sad...but the universities have done this [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 8:31pm 9/8/19
              • I don’t disagree [NT] - Chris94 - 8:33pm 9/8/19
            • Let me put it this way. Liberal Arts is a fine art, shouldn't & couldn't be mass produced. - Eli - 11:55am 9/8/19
              • An undergrad degree shouldn’t be mass produced in any discipline. - Frank L - 12:09pm 9/8/19
              • Nobody is mass producing anything - Chris94 - 12:08pm 9/8/19
                • My original point is that it is not for everyone. - NedoftheHill - 12:58pm 9/8/19
                  • “Big Education.” Right. [NT] - Chris94 - 5:37pm 9/8/19
                    • Just "Big Ed"... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 10:08pm 9/9/19
                    • Why would you use this on others and not have it apply to your field? It is accurate. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:44am 9/9/19
                    • Really? You are going to let that stop you from making a substantive response? - NedoftheHill - 6:12pm 9/8/19
            • I concur. Even for the hard/professional degrees, college is for education not training. - Curly1918 - 11:40am 9/8/19
              • OK, but that is not how it is used today. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:53pm 9/8/19
                • It is in the hard subjects. As to the liberal arts... I'm not sure what Plato had to say about... - Curly1918 - 6:02pm 9/8/19
            • That is a nice sentiment, but I don't buy it. - NedoftheHill - 10:29am 9/8/19
              • I think you glossed over a key point. - iairishcheeks - 12:21pm 9/8/19
                • Indebted, and therefore politically enslaved, lumps of clay. - NedoftheHill - 12:53pm 9/8/19
              • Again, it is not meant to be a financial investment - Chris94 - 10:37am 9/8/19
                • I am sorry, but that is utter BS, especially since the internet can provide this for free. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:48am 9/9/19
                • I've been holding onto this one for a while.. [NT] [LINK] - iairishcheeks - 2:35pm 9/8/19
                  • I think I posted that before. Interesting point of view. [NT] - Frank L - 2:38pm 9/8/19
                • Do the poor have the latitude to invest a $100k in their soul? No, they do not. - NedoftheHill - 12:44pm 9/8/19
                  • The poor have the advantage, many just don't realize it. - iairishcheeks - 2:38pm 9/8/19
                  • They don’t need to. They will get schollys if they are committed. [NT] - Frank L - 1:18pm 9/8/19
              • Let me add this: That is an outdated sentiment. If valid once, it is not valid now. - NedoftheHill - 10:35am 9/8/19
                • I think it depends on the student. - Frank L - 11:11am 9/8/19
                  • But both of your kids with humanities degrees - WoodstockIrish - 1:23pm 9/9/19
                  • Each of your kids got training in a discipline that is marketable (Law, Law and Finance). - NedoftheHill - 12:42pm 9/8/19
                    • The first would be quite marketable with just the MPP. She got both degrees in a 2 for 1 package. - Frank L - 1:17pm 9/8/19
                      • Both of your humanities majors when to graduate school to get training for their field of employment - NedoftheHill - 11:04am 9/9/19
                        • That is true. But so do many STEM majors to fulfill their plan. - Frank L - 2:34pm 9/9/19
                          • "Some may actually come out educated." The right end of the bell curve will, and will get a job. - NedoftheHill - 4:09pm 9/9/19
                            • I don’t think we are either. The left and center aren’t going far whether they go to undergrad or - Frank L - 4:29pm 9/9/19
                      • They are not just fine. - MAS - 1:59pm 9/8/19
                        • You are mixing apples and oranges. - Frank L - 2:12pm 9/8/19
                          • Neither am I. - MAS - 2:47pm 9/8/19
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