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A couple replies...

Author: NedoftheHill (31318 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:52 pm on Sep 11, 2019

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First...fair enough.

Second...do you think "strategic patience" is "trying?" Regarding sanctions, I don't see how he backed down. Aren't sanctions on N.Korea the worst ever? I agree it is hard to predict. I certainly don't have all the answers. I just figure trying something different may be a good idea when what we were trying wasn't working. No guarantee that the new strategy would work either, of course. I agree that you have to pick the time to talk. Trump may have been a good time. His election was a fractal event in POTUS history, and if it wasn't going to happen with him, it likely would not have happened successfully. Usually the most aggressive leader is the best to make an overture. A friendly leader making an overture is usually taken advantage of.

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Add John Bolton to the list [NT] - irishscooter - 12:15pm 9/10/19 (53) [View All]
- John Bolton is right. Trump's coddling of dictators has produced nothing [NT] - NDPatrick30 - 5:21pm 9/10/19
  - Trump isn’t coddling dictators, he’s imprinting. - jimbasil - 6:19pm 9/10/19
    - How many years do you think his rule will last? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:59pm 9/10/19
      - The apropos question is, will he press thel red button on the way out? [NT] - jimbasil - 10:39pm 9/10/19
        So, you think he will leave the White House of his own volition? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:48pm 9/11/19
- Another sign that Iran-US talk is going to begin. The move is consistent with Trump's carrot & stick [NT] - Eli - 2:08pm 9/10/19
  - That is some serious spin there. As we all would expect. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:20pm 9/10/19
    - What spin? We all know their stands. Trump: don't like Iran deal, don't want Iran war. Bolton: - Eli - 3:13pm 9/10/19
      - Why did he appoint Bolton in the first place, then, Master Strategist? [NT] - Chris94 - 4:19pm 9/10/19
        Hiring him was the final nail in the coffin for the Iran deal then. Firing him is the final nail in - Eli - 6:03pm 9/10/19
        Yes, you really have a good sense of what is going on alright. [NT] - Chris94 - 6:08pm 9/10/19
    - 3D Chess. Wouldn't expect you to understand. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:31pm 9/10/19
      - Hmm, seems more like 4D to me, ya know........the Twilight Zone. [NT] - Frank L - 5:01pm 9/10/19
      - It's how we got the nukes out of North Korea. [NT] - LehighND - 2:33pm 9/10/19
        But you are good with that, I assume. Indeed, you would rather he not even try. - NedoftheHill - 5:58pm 9/10/19
        A couple of things. - LehighND - 10:13am 9/11/19
        A couple replies... - NedoftheHill - 2:52pm 9/11/19
        
        One area where I think he hasn’t completely fucked it up. [NT] - Frank L - 8:27pm 9/10/19
- I heard the Patriots are interested [NT] - Nigel Tufnel - 2:01pm 9/10/19
  - Henceforth he's going by "jb". Devil is a Lie. - TakethetrainKnute - 2:29pm 9/10/19
  - Well done. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:20pm 9/10/19
- Mr Bolton, Simon & Schuster on Line 1, McMillan on Line 2, Bob Woodward on Line 3...Ring Ring Ring - Iggle - 1:22pm 9/10/19
  - Bolton 2020 [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:55am 9/11/19
  - I would tend to agree. He’s also an asswipe, but it would make interesting reading. [NT] - Frank L - 6:12pm 9/10/19
    - He seems like a total asshole. - Iggle - 8:12pm 9/10/19
      - Yeah. I wondered about that hire myself. - NedoftheHill - 10:59pm 9/10/19
- Good thing we have a bidness man running the country like a well oiled machine. - Frank L - 12:41pm 9/10/19
  - You don’t get this because you never been there but the corporate culture is hard to break - PBHangingChad - 1:11pm 9/10/19
    - The corporate culture is tough to break? Orange was supposed to bring a business culture to the job. - Frank L - 4:59pm 9/10/19
    - He is running a chaos presidency - Chris94 - 1:47pm 9/10/19
  - It’s good to have opposing points of view...to a point. This was a blunder from the start. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 12:52pm 9/10/19
- Shouldn’t even have been hired. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 12:32pm 9/10/19
  - Nope...should've hired Michael Bolton... [NT] [IMAGE] - TakethetrainKnute - 12:37pm 9/10/19
  - Agree a neocon out to change the world. Don’t let the door hit you on your ass on the way out [NT] - PBHangingChad - 12:37pm 9/10/19
    - Indeed. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:26pm 9/10/19
- Fired for being “too hawkish.” Who knew? - conorlarkin - 12:25pm 9/10/19
  - "Bolton and Trump are going to get us into a war!". Who screamed about it 1 & half years ago? [NT] - Eli - 2:11pm 9/10/19
    - Round up the usual suspects [NT] - PBHangingChad - 2:39pm 9/10/19
  - True! If only there were signs before he was hired.... [NT] - Chris94 - 12:38pm 9/10/19
    - Heh. Indeed. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:24pm 9/10/19
    - And this could get ugly.... [NT] [LINK] - Chris94 - 12:40pm 9/10/19
      - He likely did offer his resignation first, but Orange needs to look in charge. Such a sad excuse for - Frank L - 12:43pm 9/10/19
        What does it matter? You didn’t like Bolton. Don’t act as if you have a vagina. - PBHangingChad - 1:02pm 9/10/19
        He is and I’m glad he’s gone. I wish the guy who hired him was as well. [NT] - Frank L - 2:49pm 9/10/19
        Really? Wasn’t aware. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 2:56pm 9/10/19
        
        It matters when the president contradicts members of his own administration. - Chris94 - 1:34pm 9/10/19
        Trump hires people suggested by the elite and MSM. Should stay with his gut. - PBHangingChad - 2:31pm 9/10/19
        Yes, the MSM and the "elite" really pushed Bolton on him. Good point. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:37pm 9/10/19
        No in this instance it was the Republican neocons and conservative media. You get a bye [NT] - PBHangingChad - 2:41pm 9/10/19
        Always someone else’s fault. [NT] - Frank L - 2:43pm 9/10/19
        No absolutely not. The buck stops with him. His hires are abysmal. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 2:58pm 9/10/19
- Thank god. The closest thing to a war monger we've seen since Curtis Lemay. [NT] [LINK] - Curly1918 - 12:25pm 9/10/19
- Word had it he and Pompeo were not talking outside of NSC meetings - Chris94 - 12:18pm 9/10/19