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Author: conorlarkin (22000 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:30 pm on Mar 3, 2022

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Putin's best shot of diminishing NATO was having Trump in the White House.

That is a fact, lost on Cole, Baron et al

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/nato-president-trump.html

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The only exit ramp for Putin is the Russian people -- a coup or overthrow of his regime. [LINK] - conorlarkin - 10:52am 3/3/22 (38) [View All]
- The US is willing to fight down to the last Ukrainian [NT] - eftg1 - 2:46pm 3/3/22
- The removal of Vladimir Putin needs to be 'Priority #1'...until it is achieved. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 2:33pm 3/3/22
- Could you say something sensible, realistic? If you meant we need "regime change" approach, then I - Eli - 12:48pm 3/3/22
- You voted for this so stop complaining and accept that Ukranian blood is on your hands. - Cole - 11:53am 3/3/22
  - Foreign aid,stealing money from poor people in rich nations,giving it to rich people in poor nations [NT] - eftg1 - 2:13pm 3/3/22
    - and kicking back to enrich politician families like Hunter, Podesta brothers, Clinton foundation [NT] - Eli - 3:12pm 3/3/22
      - What Eli said 💯%🥇 [NT] - eftg1 - 3:56pm 3/3/22
  - Then good for me. I support men of principle. I support democracy. - conorlarkin - 12:07pm 3/3/22
    - You'd make more progress trying to explain these things to your dog. [NT] - Chris94 - 12:27pm 3/3/22
      - … or a CMU. [NT] - jimbasil - 1:00pm 3/3/22
    - "Men of principle"? Those really do not exist in Washington. Just because you vote for them - TampaIrish - 12:23pm 3/3/22
    - Is that man of principle Joe Biden, whose drug-addled no experience son sat on the Board of a - Cole - 12:21pm 3/3/22
  - Amazingly stupid. - Chris94 - 12:03pm 3/3/22
- He is fighting a war at home too - and that is going poorly [LINK] - Chris94 - 11:05am 3/3/22
  - A desperate Putin would be dangerous indeed. - NedoftheHill - 1:30pm 3/3/22
    - The more unhinged he becomes, the better. - conorlarkin - 1:53pm 3/3/22
  - Survival is always a tipping point. The Russian people are starting to calculate the odds. - conorlarkin - 12:25pm 3/3/22
    - And how do you know who replaces Putin will not be worse? He is a madman but you have - TampaIrish - 12:28pm 3/3/22
      - If it is a coup, then we get a new autocrat (likely selected by oligarchs). Still a better option. - conorlarkin - 12:42pm 3/3/22
  - This was a completely irrational gambit right from the start. - Iggle - 11:14am 3/3/22
- If you are Ukraine, at what point do you throw in the towel? - LanceManion - 10:58am 3/3/22
  - Only Ukraine has standing to answer that question. A very difficult one. - conorlarkin - 11:59am 3/3/22
    - Agreed. - NedoftheHill - 1:39pm 3/3/22
    - You can argue either way, but I think you have to fight to the end - LanceManion - 1:20pm 3/3/22
  - I have a feeling that if the government surrenders, Putin will not have any mercy on anyone. - ELP - 11:14am 3/3/22
    - Agree. There is no second act, only capitulation and death. - LanceManion - 1:23pm 3/3/22
    - No mercy on Ukraine's Azov Battalion. It's a shame Ukraine used neoNAZI in 2014 coup. Their war - Eli - 12:56pm 3/3/22
  - NAT [NT] - CapeIrish - 11:03am 3/3/22
    - NATO is an empty shell militarily and we won't fight so sadly Ukraine must capitulate............... - CapeIrish - 11:14am 3/3/22
      - Ukraine is not a member of NATO. - Hibakusha - 1:13pm 3/3/22
        Trump pushed to withdraw from NATO? Interesting. Got a link? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:41pm 3/3/22
        Here's another one. [NT] [LINK] - Hibakusha - 3:38pm 3/3/22
        I read the first few paragraphs. When do they get to the part about Trump pushing for withdrawal? - NedoftheHill - 1:27am 3/5/22
        
        Here. [LINK] - conorlarkin - 2:30pm 3/3/22
        Can't read it, but here are my thoughts: seems like a negotiation tactic. - NedoftheHill - 3:41pm 3/3/22
        All good points which could have been made quietly within diplomatic channels - Hibakusha - 3:53pm 3/3/22
        Well, this was Trump we are talking about. Less effective your way; more effective in public. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:26am 3/5/22
        
        Exactly. Trump's foreign policy consisted of random conflicting tweets -- like a drunk. - conorlarkin - 4:13pm 3/3/22

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