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There you go again, mixing concepts.

Author: NedoftheHill (44682 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)
Posted at 1:03 am on Mar 10, 2022
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Climate Change is changing climate. Always happens, ever since the beginning of the Earth. I assume we agree on that. There is general scientific consensus on that.

Global Warming is climate change that warms the Earth. There can be Global Cooling as well. Climate is cyclical. Most recently, the Earth has been warming naturally since the beginning of the end of the last Ice Age. Man had nothing to do with it. We are near a natural peak, such that if man had never lit a campfire, we still would have seen warming all this time, on average (setting aside dips like the Little Ice Age). I assume we agree on that. There is general scientific consensus on that.

Anthropogenic Global Warming is man-made global warming. I'm sure we agree that mankind is contributing something to global warming, whether minimally, or substantively. That is an easy thing to agree on. We likely disagree on the magnitude, and the potential irreversibility of it.

Beneficial Global Warming is helpful to man. I pointed out that the natural global warming we've seen for the past 18,000 years has been immensely beneficial to humankind. Can you agree that mankind is better off without a mile of ice over Canada, northern US, Europe and Northern Russia? If you can agree with that, then we can talk about what is changing to make it bad in the future. But, if you can't agree it has been good up to this point, then I don't see the point of talking further if you are willing to deny historical fact.

Harmful Global Warming is harmful to man. This is a judgement about the future, not a proven scientific principle. (Climate science is not like predicting the action of a billiard ball on a pool table.) We likely disagree on this aspect, or even if we agree, we likely disagree on solutions which are possible and when those solutions should be implemented, and whether we should be wasting money on Dem & GOP bullshit in the face of this threat.

Imminently Harmful Global Warming (anthropogenic or otherwise) requires immediate action. We likely disagree on whether immediate action is required, what that immediate action should be, and whether immediate action is even possible given current geopolitical realities.

The above is why I don't simply say that it's because of mankind's burning of FFs (99.999% of it has not been due to mankind burning FF) and that needs to be sharply diminished (it will be sharply diminished when we run out of most of it this century...the question is, can we get other nations to stop using it? We cannot. Virtue signaling, like with the Paris Agreement, is harmful, not helpful, since it makes people think change is happening when it is not.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "There you go again, mixing concepts."

  • Here's our problem:CoHandler Kerry claims "Climate refugees will be way worse than Ukraine refugees" [IMAGE] - BaronVonZemo - 5:17pm 3/9/22 (36) [View All]
    • We're over covid. On to Ukraine. Puppet Zelensky will sacrifice more Ukrainians for his handlers [NT] - eftg1 - 7:32pm 3/9/22
    • For Baron, or anyone else...on what basis do you deny Climate Change?...please use substantive data - TyroneIrish - 7:15pm 3/9/22
      • My house sits on top of a hill...the hill was formed by the leading edge of a glacier...I don't deny - TakethetrainKnute - 10:09pm 3/9/22
        • I’m sure no one wishes to see glaciers return to your backyard on Long Island - jimbasil - 4:14am 3/10/22
        • Check out the chart in the link I provided...notice a sudden spike in our CO2 level?...see anything - TyroneIrish - 1:15am 3/10/22
      • Who denies climate change? The earth has been warming since the last ice age. It cooled before that. - NedoftheHill - 9:04pm 3/9/22
        • All of the changes you speak of happened within a CO2 band of 180-300 ppm...we're climbing past 416 [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 10:36pm 3/9/22
          • So, we agree our differences are on policy. Stop with the "You deny climate change" bullshit. - NedoftheHill - 12:56am 3/10/22
            • We've got two sub-threads going here...but it seems we have agreement that mankind is pushing - TyroneIrish - 3:34am 3/10/22
              • I will let the below thread continue. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:21pm 3/10/22
        • To your point, I live in Northeast PA. There’s a state park Hickory Run that in the middle of the - jray - 10:00pm 3/9/22
          • Indeed. And the glacier didn't recede because of anything man was doing 10,000 years ago. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:37pm 3/9/22
            • Exactly [NT] - jray - 10:46pm 3/9/22
      • Super awesome of you to trumpet your shitbird ideas on a daily basis, but other must show their work - Stark Raving Dad - 7:52pm 3/9/22
        • Ok...so you don't have anything to add...anyone else care to back up their opinions with data? - TyroneIrish - 8:30pm 3/9/22
          • Given that, how much hotter on average will it be in 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? 100 years? - NedoftheHill - 9:08pm 3/9/22
            • One of your more earnest deflections, Ned...where is your data?...how are you able to say there will - TyroneIrish - 9:59pm 3/9/22
              • You failed to answer the questions. Of course. - NedoftheHill - 10:45pm 3/9/22
                • Just ignore Tyrone. He preaches climate change and he didn’t even get his - MuskyTommy - 11:26pm 3/9/22
                  • Yeah. I usually do. Not sure what got into me tonight. I'm not even drinking. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:22am 3/10/22
                • Hold on, Ned...what exactly do you see us agreeing on?...if it is indeed 'Global Warming' or - TyroneIrish - 10:53pm 3/9/22
                  • There you go again, mixing concepts. - NedoftheHill - 1:03am 3/10/22
                    • Ok...excellent...we agree that mankind is pumping CO2 into the atmosphere with the burning of - TyroneIrish - 1:54am 3/10/22
                      • Preservation of fossil fuels is something to consider even apart from global warming. - NedoftheHill - 1:20pm 3/10/22
                        • Let's just focus on the part we seem to agree on...FFs are vital and this planet only has ~47 yrs of [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 3:10pm 3/10/22
              • Then save yourself the agony and just go the fuck away. - Stark Raving Dad - 10:32pm 3/9/22
                • Stark, that brought a tear to my eye! Nice job [NT] - ColeyO - 11:24pm 3/9/22
                • You're very good at ranting...so far, nothing of substance that 'debunks' the 'Climate Change' issue - TyroneIrish - 10:47pm 3/9/22
                  • You have been caught lying here many times, I doubt you ever went to ND. [NT] - notredame678 - 11:51pm 3/9/22
                  • And your beliefs bring shame to that university. Pig. - Stark Raving Dad - 10:54pm 3/9/22
                    • Look, it's abundantly clear that you don't like my views on any number of matters...that's fine - TyroneIrish - 2:10am 3/10/22
    • He’s turned the tone deaf amp to 11. [NT] - Curly1918 - 7:04pm 3/9/22
    • Can we call Californians who move to Texas "Liberalism Refugees"? [NT] - Cole - 5:22pm 3/9/22
      • Let's call them unwelcome. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 11:46pm 3/9/22
      • Don’t Californicate Texas [NT] - LanceManion - 6:43pm 3/9/22
      • Can we extend the southern border wall to the eastern boundary of California? [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 6:02pm 3/9/22
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