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There's actually a good reason for doing this, in some cases.

Author: Rooney (5917 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 10:03 am on Nov 20, 2020
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Many jurisdictions have installed sensors under the pavement that will know when a car is queued up at a signalized intersection. Where you have a local road intersecting with a major arterial for instance, there will be sensors on the local road. The traffic signals are tied to the sensors and the signals will be set to keep to the green light on for the arterial road on a very long cycle unless the sensor picks up a vehicle waiting on the local road. By setting up your road like this, you don't have instances where the traffic light for the arterial goes from green-amber-red yet there are no cars waiting on the local road. That would be infuriating for the drivers on the arterial. Sometimes the sensors are set back from the intersection so that one vehicle waiting on the local road doesn't trigger a signal change. That's an inefficient road transportation network where numerous vehicles on the arterial are stopped to let in one car.

So your more savvy drivers on the local roads may be aware that to trigger a quicker signal cycle change, they can hang back from the intersection about 20 feet and let the sensors detect the presence of a vehicle that far back from the intersection and trigger the signal. Basically, they are shortening their wait time at the intersection at the expense of the busier arterial road drivers.

You see this a lot at intersection left turns too. In that circumstance, on the arterial road the road network does not want the left hand queue length to get too long because it's bad for traffic flow and it triggers bad driver decisions (basically, the longer a driver has to wait to make a left turn the shorter the space between oncoming traffic in which the driver is prepared to attempt to make a left turn) which leads to more accidents. So in the left hand turn lane you'll see a sensor set back maybe 20 feet or more to detect when the left turn queue is getting too long. When it does sense that, it triggers the traffic signals to introduce a "left turn only" sign to empty the queue. So in this instance, your savvy driver who enters the left turn lane and sees there are no cars waiting ahead of him to turn, will stop their car over the sensor back from the intersection to trigger the "left turn only" signal ahead a full green signal so they can make their left turn in priority ahead of every other traffic movement in the intersection.

I may or may not employ this knowledge on a regular basis.


"I didn't come here to take part. I came here to take over."

Replies to: "There's actually a good reason for doing this, in some cases."

  • Timeout for a pet peeve on drivers. - NDavenue - 8:50am 11/20/20 (26) [View All]
    • My personal favorite - wrdomerson - 12:00pm 11/20/20
      • Amen. Actually saw a trucker do this believe it or not. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 12:28pm 11/20/20
        • I have seen this, but most of the time the truckers are better about it than most. [NT] - wrdomerson - 12:57pm 11/20/20
        • Many trucks have speed governors on them. - Iggle - 12:42pm 11/20/20
          • I'm actually very sympathetic of truckers. They are there for their job. - NedoftheHill - 6:32pm 11/20/20
            • I agree with you. I grit my teeth and sympathetically mumble - Iggle - 9:00pm 11/20/20
      • Wow, 55 is a highway limit? what part of the country is this? [NT] - holybull101 - 12:08pm 11/20/20
        • Georgia, many of the state highways are 55, some of the less populated stretches up to 65. [NT] - wrdomerson - 12:56pm 11/20/20
      • A sure cause of road rage. [NT] - NDavenue - 12:01pm 11/20/20
    • Here's one...I do a lot of Interstate driving and have a car with "Adaptive Cruise Control" that - TyroneIrish - 11:46am 11/20/20
      • That bugs me too. Along with the people who speed to get ahead of you.... - NDavenue - 12:00pm 11/20/20
        • Amen!...actually, that one is higher up on my list. My first car was a '67 GTO convertible and - TyroneIrish - 12:16pm 11/20/20
    • I don't understand this either. Or the people who leave four car lengths between them.... - Chris94 - 10:04am 11/20/20
      • It's maddening. [NT] - NDavenue - 10:15am 11/20/20
        • It's worse when people don't move when the light turns - Chris94 - 11:16am 11/20/20
          • I'm in a no honk area, but I honk anyway. My wife gets mad at me. - NDavenue - 11:57am 11/20/20
    • There's actually a good reason for doing this, in some cases. - Rooney - 10:03am 11/20/20
      • I think we found our culprit. :). But if that knowledge were being employed........ - BaronVonZemo - 12:27pm 11/20/20
        • Good point. [NT] - NDavenue - 12:33pm 11/20/20
      • That is very informative. In my local area that's generally not the case. - NDavenue - 10:23am 11/20/20
    • That is all the time in my area. Now it’s Q-tip season down here - TampaIrish - 9:07am 11/20/20
      • What is Q-tip season? [NT] - NDavenue - 9:54am 11/20/20
        • Another term for snow birds. You drive behind these seniors and they look like Q-tips - TampaIrish - 9:57am 11/20/20
          • Lol. Had never heard that term. Funny. [NT] - NDavenue - 10:01am 11/20/20
            • It's the time of year where the license plates turn blue around here. - TampaIrish - 10:36am 11/20/20
    • Re: Timeout for a pet peeve on drivers. - ELP - 9:02am 11/20/20
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