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"Chaos of draconian state laws" What chaos? Different states have different homicide laws. When there is a murder, you look to that's state laws. Is that the chaos of which you speak? That's not really chaos. That is just federalism, which you admittedly likely oppose. What "draconian laws"? Is it really draconian to tell people they cannot kill? No one thinks that. We all agree on that principle in the abstract. But, you want to allow some killings, or change the level of punishment. Perhaps you want to make it a defense to murder that a woman was raped? OK, make your argument. But that is the issue we are debating: When should some people be allowed to kill. There was never any chaos.

As to "women" can you define what you mean? Unless you can agree to a normal (non partisan) definition of women, I see no reason to debate this aspect of it. Regardless, I address the competing rights between mother and child, and how a right to life always takes precedence, in my post below.

And, by the way, murder does tend to get messy when you outlaw it, and people have to do it surreptitiously to avoid prosecution. I'm not sure how that helps your cause. Do you want to make all homicides safe?

You said: "IMO, and that of the majority of Americans...Note: 80-85% of Americans believe that abortion should be legal." Then what is the big deal? Overturning Roe v. Wade won't change anything. "...in some circumstances" Would you agree to a compromise? Maybe only in cases in which the woman was a victim of rape? I suspect not, so there is no reason to talk about special circumstances.

You said: "The complete and utter disregard for the women involved by supposed "Pro-Life" adherents is shameful" That is an asinine statement. Pro-lifers have private charities all over the nation set up to help women who get pregnant. Homes for them to live in. Facilities for children, etc. Iggle also responded to this obviously false statement. Pro-lifers have nothing but sympathy for the mothers in these cases. But, if you believe that, then I will ask: Do you have a comlete and utter disregard for the children involved?

You said, "The very "cohort" that starts the whole process to any 'Unwanted Pregnancy' that leads to abortion...i.e. Men...is totally ignored." What are you talking about? Feel free to make suggestions. No one is opposing making men responsible for their children. Indeed, there are many laws on the books which make them responsible, and no one is proposing repealing them, so this seems like a lie you are telling here to distract.

You said, "This is a complex issue" I responded to this below. It is not a complicated issue. But, it is a hard issue. Just because a morally clear choice is difficult to make does not make it a complicated choice...it just makes it difficult because hardship is involved. The morals are actually quite clear, which is why there is a lot of noise. People say things are complicated when they don't want to admit they are in the wrong, or that they do not have the moral strength to do what they know is right. As to helping women with unwanted pregnancies, make your big government proposals. Maybe the prolife funded homes for women aren't sufficient. I'm sure you could get something passed in your state, and even through Congress. If there is one thing Congress can do, it is spend money and grow government.

There, I responded to you. No promises that I will continue to do so.