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Thanks for sharing that experience, JH...if I had been in your shoes, I'd definitely have flashbacks

Author: TyroneIrish (9328 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 12:14 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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as well as strong opinion on the security of any location in a war zone...that being said, IMO the Afghan situation was very different from Vietnam for these reasons...

> Vietnam was a full-on war zone...while the Afghan withdrawal was being conducted under the terms of an agreement which required the Taliban not to attack U.S. forces...and they (Taliban) were definitely holding up their end of the deal...so it wasn't necessary to use a fortified base (Bagram) for travel.
> You have to admit that not just anyone was being allowed onto jet transports...there was a process...hectic, I'm sure...being conducted that involved the U.S. Embassy staff and others...they were all in Kabul, not Bagram...and if the security situation was as bad as you allude to in your Chu Lai recollection, then it would be nearly suicidal to transport those people to Bagram while leaving the Embassy, et al, in Kabul unprotected...note that we only had ~2,500 troops available.
> In the end, there was one serious breach of security from a lone ISIS suicide bomber in Kabul...not sure how you protect against that...again, no need to keep Bagram fully operational and transport everyone 45 miles from Kabul.
> Let's not forget that due to the Biden admin's efforts we got 120,000+ Afghanis...who had our troops 'backs'...out of there...not unlike the South Vietnamese who helped us back then...and Trump's "Deal" had ZERO planning for even ONE Afghani refugee...those are facts, JH...you need to face them.

As for Biden being able to set any date he wanted, that's not reality...as soon as the "Deal" was signed, the Afgan government and military began to crumble...Biden should be credited for moving the date from May 1st to August...yet even then, he wanted September, but conditions were deteriorating at such a rate they couldn't even get that.

Bottom line...Trump set a totally unreasonable date for withdrawal of U.S. troops/equipment, with NO provisions at all for the safe passage of friendly Afghanis...with this as a starting point, it is remarkable that the Biden administration was able to accomplish what they did...especially given the rapidly deteriorating conditions.

Glad you mentioned Trump being an Idiot...hold that thought.


Replies to: "Thanks for sharing that experience, JH...if I had been in your shoes, I'd definitely have flashbacks"

  • How will Joe Biden mark the one year anniversary of our orderly retreat from Afghanistan? - Iggle - 9:33am 8/13/22 (65) [View All]
    • By signing landmark legislation that passed the House yesterday - conorlarkin - 1:59pm 8/13/22
      • DT was wrong but JB was wonger [NT] - Hank the Tank - 3:57pm 8/13/22
      • It was a tragic debacle that shames every American. It will hurt us for years to come. - Iggle - 2:57pm 8/13/22
        • Hey there, Iggle, we were just about to discuss the Trump admin slashing 'Special Visas' for all the - TyroneIrish - 3:34pm 8/13/22
          • "Remarkably Good" - Iggle - 4:02pm 8/13/22
            • "Trump officials scramble for distance from his Taliban deal"...that's what you don't want to [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:48pm 8/13/22
              • August 2021 it’s Trump’s fault. Hilarious Tyrone. Was the drone strike that killed the family his - MuskyTommy - 5:51pm 8/13/22
              • I don't care about Trump. - Iggle - 5:16pm 8/13/22
                • How, pray tell, should Biden have gotten 5000 Taliban back into jail? [NT] - LanceHarbor - 6:06pm 8/13/22
                  • Lured them there with young boys and cute goats? [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:48pm 8/13/22
                  • Why would he need to do that? - Iggle - 6:46pm 8/13/22
                    • You wrote: "Biden...created the debacle." - LanceHarbor - 7:11pm 8/13/22
                      • Biden did not have to follow Trump's timetable. - Iggle - 8:04pm 8/13/22
                        • Right. The Taliban is usually very reasonable. - LanceHarbor - 8:23pm 8/13/22
                          • There is no way the outcome could have been worse - Iggle - 8:32pm 8/13/22
                            • Ok, Iggle, tell us what Biden should have done to get an "A+" from you on the exit...and don't - TyroneIrish - 9:43pm 8/13/22
                              • For starters should have kept Bagram for evacuation not Hamid Karzai International Airport (Kabul) - JarHead4ND - 1:40am 8/14/22
                                • The closing of Bagram Air Base was completed in early July...I'm assuming the administration wanted [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 7:25pm 8/14/22
                                  • Not wanting to impede civilian activity on the base in exchange for security? [LINK] - JarHead4ND - 1:09am 8/15/22
                                    • For just the reason you mention...i.e. disintegrating security...IMO it made sense to deploy our - TyroneIrish - 10:21am 8/15/22
                                      • Well Ty, my opinion on security is based on a little experience I had one night. [LINK] - JarHead4ND - 12:40am 8/16/22
                                        • Thanks for sharing that experience, JH...if I had been in your shoes, I'd definitely have flashbacks - TyroneIrish - 12:14pm 8/16/22
                                  • Total crock of shit , not surprising. You are a disingenuous leftist. - notredame678 - 10:09pm 8/14/22
                      • . [NT] - LanceHarbor - 7:44pm 8/13/22
                      • The minimum goal of a withdrawal would be to get all of your troops and allies out safely. [LINK] - iairishcheeks - 7:30pm 8/13/22
                        • I'm glad you mentioned our Afghan allies...with a May 1, 2021 exit date and drastic cut backs on - TyroneIrish - 9:39pm 8/13/22
                          • Are you planning to polish that turd until you can see your face in it? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 5:25am 8/14/22
                            • I'm just filling in all the BLANKS that Iggle, et al, have failed to fill in...e.g. Trump's role in - TyroneIrish - 7:54pm 8/14/22
                        • Agreed. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 7:45pm 8/13/22
                • Translation: You only want to throw stones at Biden...exposing Trump for what he did and didn't - TyroneIrish - 6:05pm 8/13/22
            • good comeback [NT] - Hank the Tank - 4:21pm 8/13/22
        • Nothing compared to January 6th. - conorlarkin - 3:05pm 8/13/22
          • except that we are weak [NT] - Hank the Tank - 3:44pm 8/13/22
      • The Disinformation Committee is here. Lol [NT] - ColeyO - 2:36pm 8/13/22
        • We noticed, and in abundance as usual; daft and ready to support DJTRUMP no - jimbasil - 4:07pm 8/13/22
    • Sniffing Melania's panty shields taken by the FBI [NT] - irishsmashmouth - 12:39pm 8/13/22
    • He's going to celebrate his huge government spending bill that will do nothing but raise prices, - WestCoastIrishFan - 11:37am 8/13/22
    • AG Judy Garland has approved a midnight FBI raid of Afghanistan. [NT] - Irishize - 10:59am 8/13/22
    • By ordering the withdrawal from Afghanistan… [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 10:49am 8/13/22
    • Any time you want to get serious about the Afghanistan exit, just let me know...we can go - TyroneIrish - 10:40am 8/13/22
      • So you have been there? Know how it really works? [NT] - Frankx - 11:27am 8/13/22
      • Maybe Joe should have listened to his military advisors. Then he lied about it. [NT] [LINK] - MuskyTommy - 11:26am 8/13/22
        • Here's what actually happened...(see link)...when Biden took office there were only 2,500 troops [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 3:26pm 8/13/22
          • Good one. Trump’s fault. Joe lied you cried. [NT] - MuskyTommy - 5:47pm 8/13/22
          • you play the hand you was dealt only in polka - Hank the Tank - 3:52pm 8/13/22
            • Problem here is that the Biden admin bent over backwards to get Afghanis out of there and Trump - TyroneIrish - 9:22pm 8/13/22
        • Pffft. There goes lying Ty's defense of Biden - ColeyO - 11:36am 8/13/22
      • Please, even his own people know it was - ColeyO - 11:23am 8/13/22
      • You're a credible guy, Ty. [IMAGE] - Iggle - 10:46am 8/13/22
        • "Remarkably Good" - Iggle - 10:47am 8/13/22
          • "Remarkably Good" - Iggle - 10:50am 8/13/22
          • What are you afraid of?...let's go through this step by step...are you willing to do that? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 10:49am 8/13/22
            • It looks like he has laid it out pretty clearly. [NT] - notredame678 - 10:56am 8/13/22
            • "Remarkably Good" [IMAGE] - Iggle - 10:52am 8/13/22
              • We'll get to that...are you willing to start from the beginning and assess the totality of the - TyroneIrish - 11:00am 8/13/22
              • "Remarkably Good" - Iggle - 10:55am 8/13/22
                • Leftists can’t handle the truth. [NT] - notredame678 - 10:57am 8/13/22
                  • "Remarkably Good" - Iggle - 11:01am 8/13/22
                    • Just to "Prime the Pump"...here's what the Trump admin was doing long before there were [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 11:13am 8/13/22
                    • Let's analyze this right from the beginning, shall we...we'll touch on each and every point... - TyroneIrish - 11:04am 8/13/22
                      • Sad and pathetic that you would try to justify this, not surprising though. [NT] - notredame678 - 11:11am 8/13/22
    • Play date with Harvey? [NT] - Frankx - 10:06am 8/13/22
    • Raisins in his oatmeal. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 9:55am 8/13/22
    • Play it by ear. Just like with Afghanistan. [NT] - MAS - 9:40am 8/13/22
      • "Play it by ear." My ear of been finer [NT] - Hank the Tank - 4:28pm 8/13/22
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