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You are not accounting for "How" CEOs have been paid over time...in the 1950s, it was a rarity for

Author: TyroneIrish (20565 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 4:33 pm on Aug 16, 2022
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them to get compensated with stock options...the vast majority received cash subject to the tax codes...now much of a CEOs compensation is in the form of stock options that get taxed at capital gains rates...big difference from the 1950s...no?

The attached link suggests a solution...
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An Alternative Approach: Mark-to-Market Taxation of Stock Options
The Levin-McCain approach is not the only possible solution to the stock option book-tax mismatch. An alternative could make use of the mark-to-market valuation of financial instruments that is gaining greater attention in tax reform efforts. Under this alternate approach, the corporate employer could deduct the cost of the stock options at the time they are granted, matching the cost reported on the corporate books just as in the Levin-McCain proposal. In addition, this approach would require the employee to report taxable income in an equal amount in that same year and then subject the employee’s ongoing stock option holdings to mark-to-market taxation each year until the options are exercised, with any gains or losses taxed as ordinary income.

For example, assume that, in Year 1, a corporation grants an employee options to buy shares at a fixed strike price for the next 10 years, providing compensation estimated to be worth $10 million. Under this alternate proposal, in Year 1 the employer would record $10 million on its books as a compensation expense and deduct $10 million from its income for tax purposes. That same year, the employee would report $10 million in taxable income.

In Year 2, assume the value of the stock rises, and the value of the employee’s stock option holdings increases by $3 million over the previous year. The employer would not be able to claim an increased tax deduction, because the estimated value it recorded on the grant date was designed to take into account future fluctuations in the value of the options. At the same time, because the options actually increased in market value, the employee would report another $3 million in income for Year 2, to be taxed at ordinary rates.

Assume in Year 3, the stock options lose value. The employee would be able to use those losses to offset other taxable income.

Senator Ron Wyden, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, introduced a bill in the previous Congress called the Modernization of Derivatives Act, which would subject derivatives to mark-to-market taxation and tax the gains at ordinary income tax rates on an annual basis. Stock options are derivatives, since they derive their value from the underlying stock. However, as currently written, the Wyden bill would exempt derivatives that are paid as compensation. A better approach would be to drop that exemption, limit corporate tax deductions for stock option compensation to the value reported on the corporate books in the year the compensation was granted, and tax employees on the ongoing mark-to-market value of their stock option holdings until the options are exercised.
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What do think about this?


Link: https://itep.org/how-congress-can-stop-corporations-from-using-stock-options-to-dodge-taxes/

Replies to: "You are not accounting for "How" CEOs have been paid over time...in the 1950s, it was a rarity for"

  • The answer is simple...raise taxes on the rich. That's always the answer, right libs? [NT] [LINK] - WestCoastIrishFan - 1:47pm 8/16/22 (26) [View All]
    • Do you support a repeal of the R's last $2T tax giveaway to the wealthiest 1%? [NT] - ND521 - 4:27pm 8/16/22
      • everyone paid less federal taxes. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 4:38pm 8/16/22
        • False, almost all benefit to the 1%. Capped property/local tax deductions also hurt in many states. [NT] [LINK] - ND521 - 4:59pm 8/16/22
          • so you’re upset that some wealthy paid more in taxes. interesting. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:16pm 8/16/22
        • Even some of the 1% got hammered in CA, HI, NY, NJ, DC, OR, MN, IA, VT & WI due to lost deductions. [NT] - ND521 - 4:59pm 8/16/22
    • Here's another perspective.."Inequality is slowing U.S. economic growth"...I know these links [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 3:56pm 8/16/22
      • Ty... what is your worker pay utopia? Is it everyone makes the same? Is it based on value added to - IrishMac - 1:51pm 8/17/22
      • Green energy is going to do as much damage to lower and middle income citizens as anything in histor - WestCoastIrishFan - 4:23pm 8/16/22
        • LOL...don't give up so easily...let's hear your (substantiated) arguments as to why inequality isn't - TyroneIrish - 5:05pm 8/16/22
          • why do you say it is? [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:31pm 8/16/22
    • "CEO compensation has grown 940% since 1978 Typical worker compensation has risen only 12%..." [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 3:26pm 8/16/22
      • They are 940 times more valuable. Don’t kid yourself none of us could be a CEO. [NT] - LanceManion - 4:30pm 8/16/22
        • CEOs of today are no more valuable than those of 70 years ago when the ratio of their - TyroneIrish - 5:00pm 8/16/22
          • but what is their pay difference from front line workers! [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:54pm 8/16/22
      • The USA was strong because the rest of the developed world was in ruins. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:33pm 8/16/22
        • Certainly a factor, but how about the 90% upper income tax bracket...didn't seem to slow us down, - TyroneIrish - 3:46pm 8/16/22
          • Bbbbut Ty, 'One Percenters' only have a minimum of $11.1 million. They needed the R's last scheme. [NT] - ND521 - 4:46pm 8/16/22
          • just do some research... [NT] [LINK] - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:54pm 8/16/22
            • You are not accounting for "How" CEOs have been paid over time...in the 1950s, it was a rarity for [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:33pm 8/16/22
              • should an A list actor make so much more than the SAG worker running errands for said actor? [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 4:39pm 8/16/22
                • Are you opposed to a progressive tax policy?...if the A list actor can draw billions in revenue [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:54pm 8/16/22
                  • why do you give an a list actor a pass but not a ceo? [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:18pm 8/16/22
                    • An A List actor is likely to vote D. [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 6:28pm 8/16/22
    • It’s interesting that the notion that some can escape govt dependence bothers people. - LanceManion - 2:26pm 8/16/22
      • . [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:23pm 8/16/22
      • it creates a weaker country. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 2:44pm 8/16/22
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