A myth? really?.

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A myth? really?.

Author: Irish_Demon (2775 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:42 am on Nov 16, 2016

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I don't think it's a myth. I haven't studied it and haven't compiled any stats, so I'm not trying to argue or flame as I'm going on empirical evidence. Can you name more than a few coaches that have been primarily NFL coaches that have been successful going to the college ranks? Admittedly, there are fewer examples of NFL to college as there are college to pros, but off the top of my head, other than Pete Carroll, Jim Mora, perhaps Bill O'Brien, I can't think of many.

There are some successes going from college to pros. Jimmy Johnson, Harbaugh, Tom Coughlin, and going way back, Don Coryell and Paul Brown. But I would dare say that the flops have been more the norm. Devine, Holtz, Saban, Spurrier, Petrino, Chip Kelly, Butch Davis, Bud Wilkinson, Frank Kush, Dick McPherson. That's without thinking very long or researching it.

Like I wrote, I'm going off of empirical observation. If you can show that there have been more successes than failures then I'll admit it is a myth.

Replies to: "A myth? really?."

Mike McCarthy is a possibility. Might be available. Great hire IMO. [NT] - Dr Lou - 4:36pm 11/15/16 (46) [View All]
- I'd be all for it. Mike went to my high school, about 20 years later than I did, but... - bbkingfish - 11:19am 11/16/16
  - Now those are wonderful reasons to hire a coach. Jack needs to get on the plane today - Irish_Demon - 2:28pm 11/16/16
  - Sounds like a great hire! - NY3 - 2:09pm 11/16/16
    - No more cheapskates at ND! - bbkingfish - 4:15pm 11/16/16
- I kinda like the idea. Guys from the pros understand - faircatchcorby - 8:38pm 11/15/16
  - Did you see his remarks in his Monday presser? - pittsnyfan - 12:40pm 11/16/16
    - No I did not see this. Perhaps I should reconsider - faircatchcorby - 9:35pm 11/16/16
- Yep, another pro guy with zero college head coaching experience. - MAS - 7:20pm 11/15/16
  - Yep, easy to have a list that goes on and on, when most on it are terrible or laughable examples.. - Chrisb - 10:52am 11/16/16
    - Re: Yep, easy to have a list that goes on and on, when most on it are terrible or laughable examples.. - eftg1 - 3:59pm 11/16/16
  - Agree. The success rate of NFL coaches that move to college, as well as vice versa, is fairly low [NT] - Irish_Demon - 8:44pm 11/15/16
    - Serious question, are there stats to back that up? [NT] - NDNEIL - 10:00pm 11/15/16
      - In the past 25 years, name the NFL only head coaches have returned to college and been successful? - D2 - 12:58pm 11/16/16
        That's not the point - NDNEIL - 7:59pm 11/17/16
        
        In the past 25 years, name the NFL only head coaches have returned to college and been unsuccessful? [NT] - Chrisb - 1:36pm 11/16/16
        There is a reason for the lack of attempts - D2 - 3:13pm 11/16/16
        I don't agree with that.. - Chrisb - 5:54pm 11/16/16
        I get that you aren't inherently arguing for a NFL coach - D2 - 9:39pm 11/16/16
        
        CHARLIE WEIS. That's one example enough. That said, I'd hire Bill O'Brien given his college record [NT] - NY3 - 2:12pm 11/16/16
        Epic Fail! Weis did not have NFL head coaching experience. [NT] - Chrisb - 5:33pm 11/16/16
      - No, it's a myth. Having said that, finding someone with successfull college HC experience.. - Chrisb - 11:59pm 11/15/16
        A myth? really?. - Irish_Demon - 12:42am 11/16/16
        The reality is, most coaches fail - NDNEIL - 8:03pm 11/17/16
        
        It really isn't a myth, especially in the last 25 years - D2 - 1:15pm 11/16/16
        It really is. - Chrisb - 1:57pm 11/16/16
        You essentially are saying because there isn't enough evidence to make a effective judgement - D2 - 3:09pm 11/16/16
        Huh? - NDNEIL - 8:08pm 11/17/16
        
        No not really.. - Chrisb - 6:06pm 11/16/16
        Sorry but I think you're full of it. - D2 - 9:35pm 11/16/16
        And I think you are, so... - Chrisb - 10:26pm 11/16/16
        If you really had relevant data, you would certainly let me know. - D2 - 11:25am 11/17/16
        Lovie Smith was unemployed - NDNEIL - 8:10pm 11/17/16
        So was Pete Carroll as was Jim Mora - D2 - 9:53am 11/18/16
        
        Yes. - Chrisb - 8:12am 11/16/16
  - Ummm, Dan Devine turned out ok! [NT] - faircatchcorby - 8:34pm 11/15/16
    - umm check your history - D2 - 9:36pm 11/15/16
    - Uhm, Dan Devine was a highly successful college coach that spent a short time in the pros - Irish_Demon - 8:45pm 11/15/16
- Re: Mike McCarthy is a possibility. Might be available. Great hire IMO. - Irishshark - 6:02pm 11/15/16
- Would be nice, but... - ndunabomber - 4:48pm 11/15/16
  - He may be looking for a fresh start [NT] - Dr Lou - 5:52pm 11/15/16
    - Green Bay is close to looking for a fresh start. He's 9-13 in last 22 games. - pittsnyfan - 12:41pm 11/16/16
    - Possibly... - ndunabomber - 11:05pm 11/15/16
    - But not a death wish! [NT] - whatsamataU - 6:01pm 11/15/16
- Can we get Aaron Rodgers too? [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 4:48pm 11/15/16
  - As long as his woman comes with him. Can I say that here? [NT] - Dr Lou - 5:53pm 11/15/16
    - No. That's now referred to as being a MISOGYNIST, even though it's not. [NT] - NY3 - 2:28pm 11/16/16