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I don't agree with that..

Author: Chrisb (16401 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:54 pm on Nov 16, 2016

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I think the primary reason is that 1) NFL is considered the top of the mountain and the majority of people with the pride of a HC don't 'want' to go back down (or regress) in their career path, if they have another choice. 2) The money an NFL coach gets is more than what the majority of college positions pay

Just to be clear, I'm not fighting for us to pluck someone from the NFL. If the choice is a HC with a shit ton of college experience (and success) Vs a HC with all NFL experience, I'd want the college guy. But I think the perfect or PRIME candidate would be someone with HC experience at both levels.

But if our choice ends up being someone with no HC experience (or poor HC experience at college level) Vs someone who only has NFL HC experience, but was even marginally successful in the NFL, then we'd be foolish to not take the NFL guy.

There are more cases of guys being average or slightly above average in the NFL then being rock stars in college, then there are of these same types bombing in college.

My choice 1 would be a guy with ample coordinator experience, who had some college HC experience, tried out the NFL and was decent but either didn't like it there or wasn't quite good enough to last and came back to college and is have solid consistent success.

Choice 2 would be guy who has only college HC experience and has shown solid consistent success.

Choice 3 would be a guy with only NFL HC experience and at a minimum above average success.

But absolutely, by no means, no more never been a HC guys...that's been 2 of our last 4 which has been our main problem.

"Notre Dame by a million..Go Irish!" -Shane Gillis

Replies to: "I don't agree with that.."

Mike McCarthy is a possibility. Might be available. Great hire IMO. [NT] - Dr Lou - 4:36pm 11/15/16 (46) [View All]
- I'd be all for it. Mike went to my high school, about 20 years later than I did, but... - bbkingfish - 11:19am 11/16/16
  - Now those are wonderful reasons to hire a coach. Jack needs to get on the plane today - Irish_Demon - 2:28pm 11/16/16
  - Sounds like a great hire! - NY3 - 2:09pm 11/16/16
    - No more cheapskates at ND! - bbkingfish - 4:15pm 11/16/16
- I kinda like the idea. Guys from the pros understand - faircatchcorby - 8:38pm 11/15/16
  - Did you see his remarks in his Monday presser? - pittsnyfan - 12:40pm 11/16/16
    - No I did not see this. Perhaps I should reconsider - faircatchcorby - 9:35pm 11/16/16
- Yep, another pro guy with zero college head coaching experience. - MAS - 7:20pm 11/15/16
  - Yep, easy to have a list that goes on and on, when most on it are terrible or laughable examples.. - Chrisb - 10:52am 11/16/16
    - Re: Yep, easy to have a list that goes on and on, when most on it are terrible or laughable examples.. - eftg1 - 3:59pm 11/16/16
  - Agree. The success rate of NFL coaches that move to college, as well as vice versa, is fairly low [NT] - Irish_Demon - 8:44pm 11/15/16
    - Serious question, are there stats to back that up? [NT] - NDNEIL - 10:00pm 11/15/16
      - In the past 25 years, name the NFL only head coaches have returned to college and been successful? - D2 - 12:58pm 11/16/16
        That's not the point - NDNEIL - 7:59pm 11/17/16
        
        In the past 25 years, name the NFL only head coaches have returned to college and been unsuccessful? [NT] - Chrisb - 1:36pm 11/16/16
        There is a reason for the lack of attempts - D2 - 3:13pm 11/16/16
        I don't agree with that.. - Chrisb - 5:54pm 11/16/16
        I get that you aren't inherently arguing for a NFL coach - D2 - 9:39pm 11/16/16
        
        CHARLIE WEIS. That's one example enough. That said, I'd hire Bill O'Brien given his college record [NT] - NY3 - 2:12pm 11/16/16
        Epic Fail! Weis did not have NFL head coaching experience. [NT] - Chrisb - 5:33pm 11/16/16
      - No, it's a myth. Having said that, finding someone with successfull college HC experience.. - Chrisb - 11:59pm 11/15/16
        A myth? really?. - Irish_Demon - 12:42am 11/16/16
        The reality is, most coaches fail - NDNEIL - 8:03pm 11/17/16
        
        It really isn't a myth, especially in the last 25 years - D2 - 1:15pm 11/16/16
        It really is. - Chrisb - 1:57pm 11/16/16
        You essentially are saying because there isn't enough evidence to make a effective judgement - D2 - 3:09pm 11/16/16
        Huh? - NDNEIL - 8:08pm 11/17/16
        
        No not really.. - Chrisb - 6:06pm 11/16/16
        Sorry but I think you're full of it. - D2 - 9:35pm 11/16/16
        And I think you are, so... - Chrisb - 10:26pm 11/16/16
        If you really had relevant data, you would certainly let me know. - D2 - 11:25am 11/17/16
        Lovie Smith was unemployed - NDNEIL - 8:10pm 11/17/16
        So was Pete Carroll as was Jim Mora - D2 - 9:53am 11/18/16
        
        Yes. - Chrisb - 8:12am 11/16/16
  - Ummm, Dan Devine turned out ok! [NT] - faircatchcorby - 8:34pm 11/15/16
    - umm check your history - D2 - 9:36pm 11/15/16
    - Uhm, Dan Devine was a highly successful college coach that spent a short time in the pros - Irish_Demon - 8:45pm 11/15/16
- Re: Mike McCarthy is a possibility. Might be available. Great hire IMO. - Irishshark - 6:02pm 11/15/16
- Would be nice, but... - ndunabomber - 4:48pm 11/15/16
  - He may be looking for a fresh start [NT] - Dr Lou - 5:52pm 11/15/16
    - Green Bay is close to looking for a fresh start. He's 9-13 in last 22 games. - pittsnyfan - 12:41pm 11/16/16
    - Possibly... - ndunabomber - 11:05pm 11/15/16
    - But not a death wish! [NT] - whatsamataU - 6:01pm 11/15/16
- Can we get Aaron Rodgers too? [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 4:48pm 11/15/16
  - As long as his woman comes with him. Can I say that here? [NT] - Dr Lou - 5:53pm 11/15/16
    - No. That's now referred to as being a MISOGYNIST, even though it's not. [NT] - NY3 - 2:28pm 11/16/16