Has a team with no 5-star recruits ever won the National Championship the last 10-years? Yes, ND could have coached and played better against Clemson, but with the Gap in talent and depth, they were not going to win that game.So I get that part of the frustration. With that said, until ND, or any school gets the type of talent and depth that the top schools in the National Championship get, isn't 9 to 10 wins the ceiling with an occasional 12-win season like '12 and '18? Where ND is today from where it had been under the past three coaches is pretty darn good. But it will never get to the promise land without the Jimmy's and the Joe's. Correction, they may get lucky and get there, but if they do, it will be obvious that they are out gunned.