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Different sports, but bear with nme for a sec

Author: 86domer (667 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 12:09 pm on Jan 9, 2019
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I have kids (and close friends with kids) that went thru the recruiting process at ND and other schools in Lacrosse, Soccer, and Swimming.

The scales are different by sport and school, but every school appears to have a minimum target SAT/GPA by individual, sport and for the school.

So (and using this example to get away from ND), Princeton has a swimmer target SAT but will allow a few swimmers in below the target SAT range as long as the average for all swimming recruits meets the team target.

More broadly, the swimming target might be a higher than the target in other sports so that the entire "student athlete" number meets a standard.

This will vary significantly by school. The target SAT/ACT is significantly lower at Maryland for example which makes sense as the requirements for all students is lower. A student/athlete at other schools can compete in the classroom without the higher GPA/SAT/ college prep high school background.

Each school manages this differently but the themes appear to be the same. Specifically at ND, getting a kid in at the minimums can be a problem. They need to be confident that the kid can maintain eligibility (and btw, the professors don't really care that the kid can run a 4.3 40.). The athletic department works to keep kids on track with tutors, study halls (required Freshman year) and very close management regarding grades - but this is not easy as we all know based on previous players becoming academically ineligible.

Not taking anything away from other schools, but it is hard to find kids that can manage both at ND.

So, they have to finds kids that want to work in the classroom that also have the ability. Not an easy task, and that holds (I think) for ND, Stanford, Vandy, Duke etc.


Replies to: "Different sports, but bear with nme for a sec"

  • Curious..I know many of Holtz’ Players would no longer be accepted at ND. Any idea how ’ - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:33pm 1/8/19 (43) [View All]
    • Disagree with your premise. Here are a few salient points - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 4:46pm 1/8/19
      • Prop 48 connotation hurt going forward as well as they didn’t have to have two languages (one being - whatsamataU - 8:03pm 1/8/19
      • Overall you make some good points points but you miss big on one - D2 - 5:14pm 1/8/19
      • That is sound and I believe true. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 5:10pm 1/8/19
      • No premise; it’s a question. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:08pm 1/8/19
    • How do you know this? [NT] - Nigel Tufnel - 4:13pm 1/8/19
      • Referencing what many have said on here for years [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:09pm 1/8/19
        • As I thought - Nigel Tufnel - 6:14pm 1/8/19
          • Different sports, but bear with nme for a sec - 86domer - 12:09pm 1/9/19
            • Well put - WoodstockIrish - 3:00pm 1/9/19
              • It is about recruiting and retention - Dinglewood - 6:05pm 1/9/19
                • Good point - ND must support these recruits - 86domer - 3:12pm 1/10/19
                • Didnt Tony Rice attend the school across US31, next door to St Mary's? - WoodstockIrish - 12:01pm 1/10/19
                  • Rice came straight to ND (I think you are thinking Holy Cross) - 86domer - 12:38pm 1/10/19
                    • That is correct. A prop 48 student would not have gone to a junior college... - Irish_Demon - 4:24pm 1/10/19
                      • Couple points - Dinglewood - 3:12pm 1/12/19
          • Something is preventing ND from recruiting the way Holtz did? [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 9:13pm 1/8/19
            • I don't have a good answer to that - Nigel Tufnel - 1:58pm 1/9/19
              • What exactly is a gray shirting practice? - WoodstockIrish - 3:04pm 1/9/19
                • Bama and many top programs practice what you describe, but that is not gray shirting. - Irish_Demon - 5:13pm 1/9/19
                  • Keep in mind too - WoodstockIrish - 12:03pm 1/10/19
                    • Absolutely right. The financial hardship is why so many enroll in junior college. Also... - Irish_Demon - 4:40pm 1/10/19
                    • In-state tuition at Bama is over $10,000 per year. Out of state, around $30,000. [LINK] - Napoleon - 12:15pm 1/10/19
                      • In this day and age - WoodstockIrish - 12:27pm 1/10/19
                        • That’s the problem. - Napoleon - 10:55pm 1/10/19
                          • Agree [NT] - Irish_Demon - 10:46am 1/11/19
                        • That would be very cheap. But he cited tuition only. He did not include the other costs associated. - Irish_Demon - 4:38pm 1/10/19
                          • Yes. The point I was trying to make is that it is a big financial burden. - Napoleon - 10:57pm 1/10/19
                            • Very true [NT] - Irish_Demon - 10:49am 1/11/19
    • Werent there articles - WoodstockIrish - 3:37pm 1/8/19
      • Scores over a 1000 are pretty good for football players, even Stanford has some of those. I think - THEISMANCARR - 4:38pm 1/8/19
        • It is considerably lower than their peers - WoodstockIrish - 4:52pm 1/8/19
          • Every school with high academic standards has football players with "considerably lower" scores than - Napoleon - 10:12am 1/9/19
            • Understood - WoodstockIrish - 11:23am 1/9/19
              • I don't agree that academic standards are "keeping us from being elite." - Napoleon - 11:32am 1/9/19
                • Agree - 86domer - 12:24pm 1/9/19
          • I've been looking for a discussion such as this. I'm a facts guy and - smalltown - 7:45pm 1/8/19
          • No doubt about that but I do think SAT scores are a bit overrated. I have seen more determined less - THEISMANCARR - 5:13pm 1/8/19
            • Exactly, the point of a standardized test is because it's an easy way to quickly judge the masses - NDNEIL - 7:18am 1/9/19
            • Don’t disagree - WoodstockIrish - 5:15pm 1/8/19
      • not my question. curious about the Holtz years. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:53pm 1/8/19
      • I highly doubt that. It would be an ESPN headline. [NT] - lacan - 3:42pm 1/8/19
        • There is little doubt that Admissions has been more "flexible" with Kelly - D2 - 4:34pm 1/8/19
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