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I don't have a good answer to that

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8084 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:58 pm on Jan 9, 2019

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For starters, there was Lou Holtz, a once in a generation coach.

I tend to think this is less about ND's recruiting deficiencies and more about everyone else upping their game. The money has grown dramatically since Holtz' time, with P5 teams taking home much more each year from their respective league's media deals than we bring home from the NBC deal. What was once a widely reported 'lucrative' deal is no more. Also, unlike before, every major team's games on TV each week.

It also has to do with geography. I would love to see an assessment of where the 5 stars have come from over time. Today they come from SEC country, Texas and CA. Maybe they always have, but they do not come from the midwest.

I think the SEC grayshirting practice is a huge competitive advantage and am shocked it is allowed. It reeks.

Given our self-imposed limitations, I think it's still a great accomplishment to bring home classes ranked from 10-15 every year.

Or I could be completely wrong about everything I just said.

'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer

Replies to: "I don't have a good answer to that"

Curious..I know many of Holtz’ Players would no longer be accepted at ND. Any idea how ’ - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:33pm 1/8/19 (43) [View All]
- Disagree with your premise. Here are a few salient points - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 4:46pm 1/8/19
  - Prop 48 connotation hurt going forward as well as they didn’t have to have two languages (one being - whatsamataU - 8:03pm 1/8/19
  - Overall you make some good points points but you miss big on one - D2 - 5:14pm 1/8/19
  - That is sound and I believe true. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 5:10pm 1/8/19
  - No premise; it’s a question. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:08pm 1/8/19
- How do you know this? [NT] - Nigel Tufnel - 4:13pm 1/8/19
  - Referencing what many have said on here for years [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:09pm 1/8/19
    - As I thought - Nigel Tufnel - 6:14pm 1/8/19
      - Different sports, but bear with nme for a sec - 86domer - 12:09pm 1/9/19
        Well put - WoodstockIrish - 3:00pm 1/9/19
        It is about recruiting and retention - Dinglewood - 6:05pm 1/9/19
        Good point - ND must support these recruits - 86domer - 3:12pm 1/10/19
        
        Didnt Tony Rice attend the school across US31, next door to St Mary's? - WoodstockIrish - 12:01pm 1/10/19
        Rice came straight to ND (I think you are thinking Holy Cross) - 86domer - 12:38pm 1/10/19
        That is correct. A prop 48 student would not have gone to a junior college... - Irish_Demon - 4:24pm 1/10/19
        Couple points - Dinglewood - 3:12pm 1/12/19
      - Something is preventing ND from recruiting the way Holtz did? [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 9:13pm 1/8/19
        I don't have a good answer to that - Nigel Tufnel - 1:58pm 1/9/19
        What exactly is a gray shirting practice? - WoodstockIrish - 3:04pm 1/9/19
        Bama and many top programs practice what you describe, but that is not gray shirting. - Irish_Demon - 5:13pm 1/9/19
        Keep in mind too - WoodstockIrish - 12:03pm 1/10/19
        Absolutely right. The financial hardship is why so many enroll in junior college. Also... - Irish_Demon - 4:40pm 1/10/19
        
        In-state tuition at Bama is over $10,000 per year. Out of state, around $30,000. [LINK] - Napoleon - 12:15pm 1/10/19
        In this day and age - WoodstockIrish - 12:27pm 1/10/19
        That’s the problem. - Napoleon - 10:55pm 1/10/19
        Agree [NT] - Irish_Demon - 10:46am 1/11/19
        
        That would be very cheap. But he cited tuition only. He did not include the other costs associated. - Irish_Demon - 4:38pm 1/10/19
        Yes. The point I was trying to make is that it is a big financial burden. - Napoleon - 10:57pm 1/10/19
        Very true [NT] - Irish_Demon - 10:49am 1/11/19
- Werent there articles - WoodstockIrish - 3:37pm 1/8/19
  - Scores over a 1000 are pretty good for football players, even Stanford has some of those. I think - THEISMANCARR - 4:38pm 1/8/19
    - It is considerably lower than their peers - WoodstockIrish - 4:52pm 1/8/19
      - Every school with high academic standards has football players with "considerably lower" scores than - Napoleon - 10:12am 1/9/19
        Understood - WoodstockIrish - 11:23am 1/9/19
        I don't agree that academic standards are "keeping us from being elite." - Napoleon - 11:32am 1/9/19
        Agree - 86domer - 12:24pm 1/9/19
      - I've been looking for a discussion such as this. I'm a facts guy and - smalltown - 7:45pm 1/8/19
      - No doubt about that but I do think SAT scores are a bit overrated. I have seen more determined less - THEISMANCARR - 5:13pm 1/8/19
        Exactly, the point of a standardized test is because it's an easy way to quickly judge the masses - NDNEIL - 7:18am 1/9/19
        
        Don’t disagree - WoodstockIrish - 5:15pm 1/8/19
  - not my question. curious about the Holtz years. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:53pm 1/8/19
  - I highly doubt that. It would be an ESPN headline. [NT] - lacan - 3:42pm 1/8/19
    - There is little doubt that Admissions has been more "flexible" with Kelly - D2 - 4:34pm 1/8/19