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It is about recruiting and retention

Author: Dinglewood (341 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 6:05 pm on Jan 9, 2019
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Your observation and the one commented on are good take on the "upfront"

During the Kelly Era seems like we have done a solid job of acquiring the "resources" to make us BCS competitive but retention has been a bit of a disaster particularly for the most promising recruits (BTW not those who left early or moved on because they were not likely to get playing time). If the program worked right we would always have a solid cadre of 5th year players plus something like 20 seniors ... pretty much has never happened ... we have played some FR because there was a talent gap not because they were too good to sit.

Sort of off the radar in the last couple of years noticed we have hired some folk to work closely with the players to help them better "acclimate." I think of them as "retention specialists" hopefully drawing on all the resources ND has to keep them "on track." Seems like this is working as we now seem to have some kind of coherent red-shirting program (that doesn't officially exist) so we can reload to fill losses with players who have program experience (including the weight room).

Aside: like several posters agree there are recruits out there that essentially always are going to wind up with our prospective BCS competitors so we always have that hill to overcome to even get where we did this year.
If we want to level the playing field (I don't think the administration would make this a top school priority) something really "out of the box" would need to be done - example: opening a prep school like IMG or what the Naval Academy has.


Replies to: "It is about recruiting and retention"

  • Curious..I know many of Holtz’ Players would no longer be accepted at ND. Any idea how ’ - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:33pm 1/8/19 (43) [View All]
    • Disagree with your premise. Here are a few salient points - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 4:46pm 1/8/19
      • Prop 48 connotation hurt going forward as well as they didn’t have to have two languages (one being - whatsamataU - 8:03pm 1/8/19
      • Overall you make some good points points but you miss big on one - D2 - 5:14pm 1/8/19
      • That is sound and I believe true. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 5:10pm 1/8/19
      • No premise; it’s a question. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:08pm 1/8/19
    • How do you know this? [NT] - Nigel Tufnel - 4:13pm 1/8/19
      • Referencing what many have said on here for years [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:09pm 1/8/19
        • As I thought - Nigel Tufnel - 6:14pm 1/8/19
          • Different sports, but bear with nme for a sec - 86domer - 12:09pm 1/9/19
            • Well put - WoodstockIrish - 3:00pm 1/9/19
              • It is about recruiting and retention - Dinglewood - 6:05pm 1/9/19
                • Good point - ND must support these recruits - 86domer - 3:12pm 1/10/19
                • Didnt Tony Rice attend the school across US31, next door to St Mary's? - WoodstockIrish - 12:01pm 1/10/19
                  • Rice came straight to ND (I think you are thinking Holy Cross) - 86domer - 12:38pm 1/10/19
                    • That is correct. A prop 48 student would not have gone to a junior college... - Irish_Demon - 4:24pm 1/10/19
                      • Couple points - Dinglewood - 3:12pm 1/12/19
          • Something is preventing ND from recruiting the way Holtz did? [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 9:13pm 1/8/19
            • I don't have a good answer to that - Nigel Tufnel - 1:58pm 1/9/19
              • What exactly is a gray shirting practice? - WoodstockIrish - 3:04pm 1/9/19
                • Bama and many top programs practice what you describe, but that is not gray shirting. - Irish_Demon - 5:13pm 1/9/19
                  • Keep in mind too - WoodstockIrish - 12:03pm 1/10/19
                    • Absolutely right. The financial hardship is why so many enroll in junior college. Also... - Irish_Demon - 4:40pm 1/10/19
                    • In-state tuition at Bama is over $10,000 per year. Out of state, around $30,000. [LINK] - Napoleon - 12:15pm 1/10/19
                      • In this day and age - WoodstockIrish - 12:27pm 1/10/19
                        • That’s the problem. - Napoleon - 10:55pm 1/10/19
                          • Agree [NT] - Irish_Demon - 10:46am 1/11/19
                        • That would be very cheap. But he cited tuition only. He did not include the other costs associated. - Irish_Demon - 4:38pm 1/10/19
                          • Yes. The point I was trying to make is that it is a big financial burden. - Napoleon - 10:57pm 1/10/19
                            • Very true [NT] - Irish_Demon - 10:49am 1/11/19
    • Werent there articles - WoodstockIrish - 3:37pm 1/8/19
      • Scores over a 1000 are pretty good for football players, even Stanford has some of those. I think - THEISMANCARR - 4:38pm 1/8/19
        • It is considerably lower than their peers - WoodstockIrish - 4:52pm 1/8/19
          • Every school with high academic standards has football players with "considerably lower" scores than - Napoleon - 10:12am 1/9/19
            • Understood - WoodstockIrish - 11:23am 1/9/19
              • I don't agree that academic standards are "keeping us from being elite." - Napoleon - 11:32am 1/9/19
                • Agree - 86domer - 12:24pm 1/9/19
          • I've been looking for a discussion such as this. I'm a facts guy and - smalltown - 7:45pm 1/8/19
          • No doubt about that but I do think SAT scores are a bit overrated. I have seen more determined less - THEISMANCARR - 5:13pm 1/8/19
            • Exactly, the point of a standardized test is because it's an easy way to quickly judge the masses - NDNEIL - 7:18am 1/9/19
            • Don’t disagree - WoodstockIrish - 5:15pm 1/8/19
      • not my question. curious about the Holtz years. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:53pm 1/8/19
      • I highly doubt that. It would be an ESPN headline. [NT] - lacan - 3:42pm 1/8/19
        • There is little doubt that Admissions has been more "flexible" with Kelly - D2 - 4:34pm 1/8/19
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