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I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse or just ignorant

Author: D2 (7682 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 1:38 pm on Feb 10, 2019
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I'll chalk up ignorance because it is more polite.

First, any person attending the Naval academy only commits to a Navy career at the end of year 2. Anyone can leave before that date and have no commitment to future military careers. A quick google indicates that roughly 20% do for various reasons. So knocking Gilman for leaving prior to year 2 is just stupid. Lots of people do it. It doesn't matter the reason.

Second, the Navy, AFTER GILMAN BEGAN ATTENDING, changed their rules about when grads could play pro football. Old rules, you can play pro football right away, new rules serve for 5 years first..which in this day and age essentially eliminates a pro football career. For example, under the OLD rules, Gilman could have played in the NFL immediately and fulfilled his military commitment in alternative ways. For example, Keenan Reynolds (graduated 2016), upon graduation, was able to play in the NFL (and still is) and serve in the Naval Reserve or in other ways to fulfill his 5 year commitment. If Gilman discovered after one year at Navy that he didn't see his future in the navy and that may have been because he loved football more, he isn't any different that 20% of his fellow classmates who decide that their future isn't in the Navy.

As for the total hypocrisy of the NCAA, it has essentially okayed players to change schools for a variety of goofy reasons (many of which are directly related to impacting a kid's pro prospects) without "penalty" like the school going on probation, a coach leaving, one idiot (who was thrown out of the school) yelling a slur from the stands, etc etc, is okay while a school changing it's rules (after the fact) directly affecting a future career choice is not okay.

How is Gilman's desires for his future any different than Josh Fields or Shea Patterson (among others) whose sole and only reasons for transferring were football related?


Replies to: "I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse or just ignorant"

  • The NCAA ruled that Georgia QB transfer Justin Fields is eligible to play immediately at OSU. [NT] - Irishize - 5:17pm 2/8/19 (41) [View All]
    • An good explanation of the "rules" ... - Dinglewood - 4:03pm 2/9/19
    • Urban is gone. I don't care if this guy is there or not, Urban was the specialness, and that's gone - tky21 - 9:29pm 2/8/19
      • I suspect USC operatives already have contacted Urban. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 10:01am 2/9/19
        • Those ...bastards! [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 8:55am 2/11/19
        • Why wouldn't they? [NT] - Jerseymick - 8:17pm 2/9/19
    • Re: The NCAA ruled that Georgia QB transfer Justin Fields is eligible to play immediately at OSU. - NDSoxfan - 9:15pm 2/8/19
    • Yeah, anyone not transferring to ND is immediately eligible. - iairishcheeks - 5:20pm 2/8/19
      • Whiners [NT] - whatsamataU - 5:33pm 2/8/19
        • It is hard to reconcile Gilman’s denial with Fields and Patterson, for example. [NT] - Napoleon - 5:54pm 2/8/19
          • The rules changed the year after Gillman transferred [NT] - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 11:45am 2/9/19
            • But was announced before he made the decision to transfer. - Napoleon - 11:53am 2/9/19
              • More specifically, the NCAA transfer rules [NT] - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 1:44pm 2/9/19
                • No. I’m talking about the USNA rules. - Napoleon - 3:25pm 2/9/19
                  • perhaps he shouldn’t have gone to the Naval Academy if he wanted - WoodstockIrish - 11:10am 2/10/19
                    • Who is asking for your sympathy? No one cares about that. - Rocket91 - 12:55pm 2/11/19
                    • I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse or just ignorant - D2 - 1:38pm 2/10/19
                    • That's ridiculous. - Napoleon - 11:41am 2/10/19
                      • You don’t go to the Naval Academy “because you have a dream of playing in - WoodstockIrish - 12:13pm 2/10/19
                        • Who are you to tell anyone where to go or what to dream? - Napoleon - 12:36pm 2/10/19
                          • Have you ever read Woodstock's posts? - Frankie V - 8:32am 2/11/19
                            • You are right. - Napoleon - 6:59pm 2/12/19
                              • Ineresting - WoodstockIrish - 8:27am 2/13/19
                            • God forbid - WoodstockIrish - 9:00am 2/11/19
                              • God forbid - Frankie V - 1:26pm 2/11/19
                                • Sorry - WoodstockIrish - 9:29pm 2/11/19
          • The new normal is a good lie - D2 - 6:16pm 2/8/19
            • great post. [NT] - oldirish - 11:34pm 2/12/19
            • Field’s statement basically admits his disingenuous “lie” [LINK] - CC72 - 8:40pm 2/8/19
              • It's just crazy why all these kids feel the need to issue a statement all the time. [NT] - oldirish - 11:36pm 2/12/19
            • Really good post! [NT] - Frankx - 6:32pm 2/8/19
            • Gilman’s reason was different. - Napoleon - 6:22pm 2/8/19
              • It’s a shame we didn’t recruit him harder in the beginning. [NT] - whatsamataU - 11:00am 2/9/19
                • He was a completely unheralded recruit who had no interest from any major programs. - Napoleon - 11:55am 2/9/19
              • Real end goal was basically the same - D2 - 6:40pm 2/8/19
                • End goal, yes. Agree. - Napoleon - 7:31pm 2/8/19
                  • Gilman is an honorable man. Fields is a liar who took advantage of a corrupt system. [NT] - D2 - 10:36pm 2/8/19
                  • It was in no way equitable [NT] - CC72 - 8:37pm 2/8/19
                • NCAA willing to accept lies benefiting tOSU- they should just eliminate all transfer restrictions [NT] - CC72 - 6:57pm 2/8/19
                  • Better yet, the power 5 conferences need to overthrow the NCAA, or just bolt - cubsfanin16 - 9:54pm 2/8/19
                    • Agree....but... - nc4theirish - 1:18pm 2/9/19
                      • One of the worst ran organizations Ive ever seen..IM a retired investigator - cubsfanin16 - 5:16pm 2/9/19
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