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Faust was literally a high school coach. All on the administration. It was one of the god awful
Author:
TakethetrainKnute
(31313 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 6:37 pm on Nov 12, 2019
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Stupidest moves ever.
They actually thought they could create a new Rockne-esque legend.
Replies to: "Faust was literally a high school coach. All on the administration. It was one of the god awful"
Going back to a scenario raised by Neil, say BK wins out including the world of camping bowl,
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Frank L
- 3:00pm 11/12/19
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He is not going to demand a 5 year extension so the premise of your question is false
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CC72
- 8:17am 11/13/19
So then what’s the big deal? We are in the same place 2 or 3 years from now.
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Frank L
- 11:25am 11/13/19
Where did I propose kicking the can down the road?
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CC72
- 11:45am 11/13/19
Because whether it’s in 3 years, 5 years, or now, Kelly isn’t changing. We are going to see the same
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Frank L
- 4:35pm 11/13/19
You started with the “what if Kelly demands a 5 year extension”
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CC72
- 7:14pm 11/13/19
Yes I did, and you pointed out he wanted a shorter extension which may well be the case.
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Frank L
- 7:50pm 11/13/19
Pencil in the Clemson ass-kicking in 2020. Probably Florida State in 2021 as their new coach makes
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TakethetrainKnute
- 11:39am 11/13/19
I wouldn't,
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Clem
- 6:44am 11/13/19
Tell him there's a spot as AD or take a hike. You have to perform to get paid. He's not performing.
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oldirish
- 9:21pm 11/12/19
There's only one problem with him as AD...
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Chrisb
- 9:44pm 11/12/19
The sad truth. Yet there are still some that actually believe that he has nothing to do with the
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bwnotredame06
- 10:00am 11/13/19
Kelly teams have scored a combined 17 points in 2 championship/playoff games.He sucks..
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eftg1
- 6:33pm 11/12/19
Who you hiring?
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NDNEIL
- 7:25pm 11/12/19
Way I look at you can deal with it now or kick the can down the road a few years.
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Frank L
- 10:47pm 11/12/19
Yup... offense can't compete against top tier teams...
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eftg1
- 7:57pm 11/13/19
Who are you going to hire
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eftg1
- 8:46pm 11/12/19
Ok, so when Minny gets beat down this weekend, then who?
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NDNEIL
- 10:40pm 11/12/19
Holtz went 10-12 in his two years at Minnesota before coming to ND and he did arrright for us
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Chrisb
- 11:49pm 11/12/19
Holtz also went 23-11-1 in his final 3 years at ND
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NDNEIL
- 12:28pm 11/13/19
"Each week"?...he's been here ten years. Again at 11-2 he's certainly staying. That said....
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TakethetrainKnute
- 3:19pm 11/13/19
Pure Gold statement "Love the people looking for a sure thing...it doesn't exist."
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Chrisb
- 9:54pm 11/13/19
You sound like a millennial. Fleck just signed a 7 year extension. He might be good for us someday
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THEISMANCARR
- 9:07pm 11/12/19
You mean the "relatable" bit?
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MAS
- 9:38pm 11/12/19
You need to unpack all of that.
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Frank L
- 10:39pm 11/12/19
Here's a llist.
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TakethetrainKnute
- 7:41pm 11/12/19
Add Chris Klieman to that list.
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Clem
- 6:39am 11/13/19
I love that argument. Why are we scared to make a move?
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NDNEIL
- 10:46pm 11/12/19
Love this argument. Three bad hires were made and now we’re paralyzed with fear. No way to live...
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TakethetrainKnute
- 10:55pm 11/12/19
It's not 3 bad hires, it's 5 (since Kelly is bad)
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NDNEIL
- 11:08pm 11/12/19
I’ve already said he won’t be fired at 11-2. Hell, he probably won’t be let go anyway.
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TakethetrainKnute
- 11:18pm 11/12/19
Kelly wasn't a bad hire, he just didn't pan out as well as desired
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Chrisb
- 11:17pm 11/12/19
...and O’Leary was undefeated.
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TakethetrainKnute
- 11:19pm 11/12/19
#1.
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Chrisb
- 11:24pm 11/12/19
This ^^^ This ^^^ This ^^^
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Chrisb
- 11:03pm 11/12/19
in no particular order,Scott Satterfieldm, Bryan Harsin, Neal Brown, Justin Wilcox, Mario Cristobal
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WestCoastIrishFan
- 8:57pm 11/12/19
Patterson and Whittingham are rooted and the rest only comers w Fleck in the lead.
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ND521
- 8:51pm 11/12/19
Say BK goes 11-2 and he's replaced by someone with a long record and ND ties who goes 13-1?
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jrdjr84
- 8:46pm 11/12/19
Now is the wrong time in our history to be making sentimental hires.
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Chrisb
- 9:42pm 11/12/19
He has not always done well.
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THEISMANCARR
- 9:09pm 11/12/19
I know. He was a bust at USF. As I say, for sentimental reasons...
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jrdjr84
- 9:16pm 11/12/19
None of us "really" knows....we could hire Skip and he could go on to be our next Rockne or
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Chrisb
- 10:10pm 11/12/19
Yep, his dad got fired a couple times.
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MAS
- 9:56pm 11/12/19
I need to see more from Fleck. The PSU win was big but they’ve had an easy schedule overall and
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jray
- 8:14pm 11/12/19
An undefeated season at a MAC school followed by 8-0 at Minnesota ... The guy has proven himself.
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jrdjr84
- 9:06pm 11/12/19
Will losses to Iowa and Wisconsin down the stretch change your view?
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MAS
- 9:36pm 11/12/19
Nope... Minnesota is not an easy place to win at and I think you know that, aren't you the one who
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Chrisb
- 9:57pm 11/12/19
I'll eat my words if he does, but one 10-2 season does not greatness make.
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MAS
- 10:07pm 11/12/19
"one 10-2 season does not greatness make." Couldn't agree more with this, but..
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Chrisb
- 10:27pm 11/12/19
Not necessarily
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jrdjr84
- 9:48pm 11/12/19
You mean like Tulsa, Navy, USF, etc?
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irishone
- 8:51pm 11/12/19
That might be the most depressing list I've seen for potential ND head coaches.
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MAS
- 8:13pm 11/12/19
According to D2, no decent power 5 program would want our coach. Soo.........
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Frank L
- 8:43pm 11/12/19
Well, he is the second-smartest guy on this board, behind NDNeil.
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MAS
- 9:24pm 11/12/19
Dang! How did I get blindsided! Haha
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NDNEIL
- 10:48pm 11/12/19
Yeah right. Only Meyer, Saban, Stoops, Dabo and, of course, Kelly. Sorry you're so easily depressed
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TakethetrainKnute
- 8:37pm 11/12/19
I haven't been a fan from the outset.
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MAS
- 9:12pm 11/12/19
Make your own list then. Kelly will have to be replaced relatively soon. It's easy to talk down
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TakethetrainKnute
- 6:10pm 11/13/19
MAS was never a fan of Kelly (and he was correct) one correction though MAS...
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Chrisb
- 10:38pm 11/12/19
I'd put Chris Petersen right up there either behind Fleck or Wittingham
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Chrisb
- 7:47pm 11/12/19
Cuz Peterson loses big games by less ?
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ND521
- 8:53pm 11/12/19
You must be kidding... Peterson has already (yes past tense) accomplished in his first 5 years what
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Chrisb
- 9:38pm 11/12/19
One score in CFP, 3 straight major bowl losses, 47-25 vs FBS, 6-4 2019. Sideways move for us.
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ND521
- 9:57pm 11/12/19
I'm sorry but if you think going from Kelly to Peterson would be a lateral move
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Chrisb
- 10:44pm 11/12/19
You do have a point, upon closer inspection.
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MAS
- 9:17pm 11/12/19
FYI: Petersen is not enamored with ND.
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MAS
- 8:14pm 11/12/19
I know you are right about that, but I'd still take the shot at him
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Chrisb
- 8:58pm 11/12/19
If they hire P.J. Fleck, I will stop watching ND football, as my father did when they hired...
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MAS
- 9:16pm 11/12/19
And then you'll start watching again if his pattern of success carries over to ND.
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Chrisb
- 9:20pm 11/12/19
Yep, you would've said the same thing to my father when they hired Doofus.
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MAS
- 9:23pm 11/12/19
Doofus had zero college HC experience, he was a good HS coach...guy we're talking about
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Chrisb
- 10:04pm 11/12/19
Rhule would be lower on the list for me, I hadn't thought about Norval but he's a good addition
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Chrisb
- 7:50pm 11/12/19
Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll, Saban, or Meyer would be suitable candidates
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holybull101
- 7:37pm 11/12/19
I gotcha in the fire category.
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Frank L
- 6:40pm 11/12/19
Lol.. you got me Frank... I'm doing the research...
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eftg1
- 6:55pm 11/12/19
Well if it's just fire or keep, I thought he shoulda been fired after 16, if not..
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Chrisb
- 6:46pm 11/12/19
Lol...oh yeah...
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eftg1
- 6:56pm 11/12/19
Kelly's and Swarbrick's relationship isn't consistent with "demanding" and "telling."
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lacan
- 6:23pm 11/12/19
Perhaps not that blatently.
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Frank L
- 6:37pm 11/12/19
Control was definitely taken from Kelly after 4-8 and ultimatums on the staff were given. It seems
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oldirish
- 9:18pm 11/12/19
Definitely? Then you should have no difficulty proving it. Repetition is not evidence.
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lacan
- 11:24pm 11/12/19
Neither are your nonsense assertions.
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Frank L
- 12:04am 11/13/19
Pretty obvious to everyone but this doofus.
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Frank L
- 10:19pm 11/12/19
Sorry, the declarative power of "make no mistake" escapes me. They don't lend veracity to assertions
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lacan
- 6:52pm 11/12/19
Not surprising, much escapes you.
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Frank L
- 7:05pm 11/12/19
Like pink elephants, I suppose. But, then, they only exist in fantasy too.
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lacan
- 11:51pm 11/12/19
More like reality and common sense.
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Frank L
- 12:03am 11/13/19
Swarbrick is ruthless. It's all about the Benjamins. (Not that there's anything wrong with that)
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SteveM
- 6:26pm 11/12/19
Do you give your yard guy a bonus and extension for giving you shitty service? No crap he focuses on
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oldirish
- 9:19pm 11/12/19
How could I possibly refute such insight. You've got Swarbrick pegged!
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lacan
- 11:38pm 11/12/19
Nonsense.
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lacan
- 6:29pm 11/12/19
Again, those bald declaratives are quite convincing. Sigh.
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Frank L
- 7:06pm 11/12/19
When it comes to impugning character, the burden is on you.
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lacan
- 11:28pm 11/12/19
Except I didn’t make the assertion, genius. Just pointed out the lack of thought in your nonsense
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Frank L
- 12:07am 11/13/19
Kelly and ND are tightly coupled in a pathologically symbiotic embrace...
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SteveM
- 6:16pm 11/12/19
I'd give him a rolling 2-year extension
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MarkHarman
- 6:02pm 11/12/19
OMG Mark you have to know after 10 years Kelly has reached his peak. He’s not getting better.
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PBHangingChad
- 6:18pm 11/12/19
Took Tom Osborne 23 years to win a national championship
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MarkHarman
- 9:29pm 11/12/19
Osborne is an outlier. If you saw the Michigan game, Kelly 2.0 is quite simply a myth...
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TakethetrainKnute
- 10:03am 11/13/19
Kelly 3.0 can make all the right adjustments...he will still get the bedshites in the big game.
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TakethetrainKnute
- 6:21pm 11/12/19
11-2 and a NY6 bowl win prolly extend by 2. If not, I'd put it all on how he does next year.
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ND521
- 5:54pm 11/12/19
I believe JS will give Kelly a 4 year extension when all is said and done. Get used to the idea.
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DadUdaMan4
- 5:33pm 11/12/19
Not the point. The question is what would you do?
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Frank L
- 5:39pm 11/12/19
I will not...thank you very much.
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TakethetrainKnute
- 5:39pm 11/12/19
Isn't it reasonable in any such negotiation to say, "For your health, due to the stress of the job,
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jrdjr84
- 4:50pm 11/12/19
In fairness, Devine took over a healthy program still considered an elite national power
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Chrisb
- 5:43pm 11/12/19
Agreed
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jrdjr84
- 8:48pm 11/12/19
He meant Kelly cant coach as well as...Devine...
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TakethetrainKnute
- 6:24pm 11/12/19
I know, just not sure I fully agree...
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Chrisb
- 6:41pm 11/12/19
Precisely how it should be done...
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TakethetrainKnute
- 5:27pm 11/12/19
That would be a kind way to do it.
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Frank L
- 4:57pm 11/12/19
I don't care if we end up in the top 10, Brian Kelly himself said
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bwnotredame06
- 4:34pm 11/12/19
“we want to at least compete in big games”. That is the most damning indictment.
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Frank L
- 5:02pm 11/12/19
I think signature wins not total wins should be the highest weighted criterion - Kelly fails that...
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SteveM
- 4:15pm 11/12/19
He fails that in spectacular fashion...
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TakethetrainKnute
- 4:26pm 11/12/19
Fact #1/2: he ain't going anywhere on his own and he ain't going to get fired
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D2
- 4:00pm 11/12/19
If he's here another four years it will officially signify the Death of ND Football
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Chrisb
- 5:34pm 11/12/19
Probably the death of Western civilization, in fact. Do not understate!
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murph78
- 6:23pm 11/12/19
It needed to be said
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TakethetrainKnute
- 6:25pm 11/12/19
Indeed.
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Frank L
- 6:39pm 11/12/19
Probably the death of Western civilization, in fact. Do not understate!
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murph78
- 6:23pm 11/12/19
So we extend a coach that no other decent power five program
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Frank L
- 4:04pm 11/12/19
Recruiting will go to shit if we don't
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D2
- 4:26pm 11/12/19
Last one did knowing he only had two years left.
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Frank L
- 4:55pm 11/12/19
Yes...because we fear the Davieweisingham monster...that we created...
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TakethetrainKnute
- 4:14pm 11/12/19
I hate you.
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PBHangingChad
- 4:02pm 11/12/19
Not a realistic scenario
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Frankbuz
- 3:58pm 11/12/19
IF that happens, he'd have consecutive 10-3, 12-1 and 11-2 seasons with 2 bowl wins and a playoff L
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Chrisb
- 3:51pm 11/12/19
Don't forget to include the upcoming loss to Stanford
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OHIrish
- 5:50pm 11/12/19
Yes, I know...the scenario he gave for his question was "IF"
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Chrisb
- 6:36pm 11/12/19
Don't see him going 11-2. But yes that presents a problem if it occurs...
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TakethetrainKnute
- 3:55pm 11/12/19
Dunno, if they play like last week it’s possible.
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Frank L
- 4:08pm 11/12/19
I think I'm in the minority in regards to the whole 'how they played last week'
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Chrisb
- 5:24pm 11/12/19
We did try to give the game back before the half...but Duke wasn't enough of a team to rise up and
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TakethetrainKnute
- 5:29pm 11/12/19
^^^ This is exactly what I saw...
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Chrisb
- 5:39pm 11/12/19
It's certainly possible. but a down Stanford at home will be like a down Michigan at home.
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TakethetrainKnute
- 4:11pm 11/12/19
scUM has more talent.
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Frank L
- 4:16pm 11/12/19
Tis true. Won't stop Kelly's a-hole from puckering if you aske me. Never won there...
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TakethetrainKnute
- 4:18pm 11/12/19
Oh, I agree fully...I was just going with the scenario that was presented
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Chrisb
- 4:05pm 11/12/19
Info needed: Are we willing to hire Urban ? Is Fleck a good fit ? Has Rhule beaten anyone good ?
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ND521
- 3:40pm 11/12/19
Another idiot teabagging Urban Liar again. OH GOD!
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OHIrish
- 5:48pm 11/12/19
Go wrassle with Gym Jordan.
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ND521
- 6:00pm 11/12/19
From what I've seen unless he likes to bang students or has a secret coke habit, Fleck is a good fit
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Chrisb
- 4:01pm 11/12/19
Love the energy he brings.
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ND521
- 6:01pm 11/12/19
No, yes, not sure.
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Frank L
- 3:55pm 11/12/19
Gerry Faust was likable, Frank, just couldn't coach. Let's wait a few weeks on Rhule.
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ND521
- 6:03pm 11/12/19
Faust was literally a high school coach. All on the administration. It was one of the god awful
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TakethetrainKnute
- 6:37pm 11/12/19
Matt’s more than likeable. If I were FSU or even SC, I would hire him now. He’s a motivator and a
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Frank L
- 6:08pm 11/12/19
If firing is not an option, I'd tell him to earn it next year.
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IrishChristopher
- 3:38pm 11/12/19
I’d fire him and look for a new coach, he’s like stepping in shit. You know what you got. Why give
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PBHangingChad
- 3:30pm 11/12/19
Yeah 2016, really blows my mind, ok year 3 of coaching is usually the roughest because,
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bwnotredame06
- 4:43pm 11/12/19
You know my vote. TEN years of stats tell what has happened and what is most likely to happen.
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TakethetrainKnute
- 3:28pm 11/12/19
The rub on not extending him, is coaches will use it in recruiting
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NDNEIL
- 3:14pm 11/12/19
I just don't think ND recruits are coming because of Kelly. Sure, that could play into their
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WestCoastIrishFan
- 3:18pm 11/12/19
A new coach could likely keep the kids, however
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NDNEIL
- 3:29pm 11/12/19
Hadn’t the latest class been recruited knowing he could be gone after next year?
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Frank L
- 3:37pm 11/12/19
For sure, but I'm sure some false promises are made
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NDNEIL
- 4:04pm 11/12/19
well, then, you never let him go. Am I comfortable with one year of tough recruiting in exchange
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WestCoastIrishFan
- 3:36pm 11/12/19
Yeah, I'm not saying they should or shouldn't keep him
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NDNEIL
- 4:02pm 11/12/19
I agree, but he raises a fair point
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Frank L
- 3:37pm 11/12/19
If I am the AD, No. Swarbrick most certainly would.
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Shadow_of_the_Dome
- 3:11pm 11/12/19
Kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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jimbasil
- 3:11pm 11/12/19
Well, you don't let him go unless you are pretty confident you have the right and better replacement
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WestCoastIrishFan
- 3:20pm 11/12/19
Yes, of course says Charlie Weis and Bob Davie.
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jimbasil
- 6:17pm 11/12/19
Exactly, you don't wait...if you know he needs to go, you get rid of him
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Chrisb
- 7:21pm 11/12/19
I tell him next year is the last year. The fans are restless for some new news and wins
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WestCoastIrishFan
- 3:10pm 11/12/19