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I don't think Riley was ever officially titled "HC in waiting" nor was Carr or Shaw.

Author: D2 (6959 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 3:43 pm on Dec 3, 2020
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Usually you're pretty on with your posts but I think you are ill-informed here. All in all, I think if you looked at the whole arena of guys who had been officially named "Head coach in waiting, " you'd find no consistent indicator that it worked at all to retain coaches or as an indicator of future success as a head coach.

Even the use of the title "Assistant (or Associate ) Head Coach" does not mean "you're the next head coach." It serves as a mechanism to pay someone more money as well as a little expansion of responsibilities. It's like being called a Vice President at a Bank.

As a matter of fact, Mike Elston's title is "Associate Head Coach." but there is little chance he would replace Kelly if he left at the end of the year. And if Kelly couldn't coach on a given day, I suspect Bill Polian would be the substitute head coach.

Re: David Shaw's promotion from the Mercury News
"Bowlsby picked Shaw over a group of finalists that included associate head coach Greg Roman and defensive coordinator Vic Fangio.
The difference was Shaw’s unique combination of attributes: As Stanford’s offensive coordinator the past four years, he provides continuity for the program at a time of unprecedented momentum; as a popular former Stanford player, he brings a deep passion for the school and an understanding of its academic and athletic missions."

As to Riley, there were two other coaches titled Assistant Head Coach and Associate Head Coach. As I remember, there was general surprise in college football when Riley was named Head Coach.


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Replies to: "I don't think Riley was ever officially titled "HC in waiting" nor was Carr or Shaw."

  • I hope ND offers Clark Lea the HC job now for when Kelly retires w/ expectation that he stay on as - BaronVonZemo - 1:03pm 12/3/20 (45) [View All]
    • No - Cheg80 - 6:54pm 12/3/20
    • Kelly very well may have another 10 years coaching he s only 59 [NT] - DonMiller - 5:39pm 12/3/20
      • It’s not the number of years at ND that ruins ones health. All the long term predecessors won NC’s - whatsamataU - 6:19pm 12/3/20
    • What if BK won the NC this year and hung up his whistle? - Irishize - 4:13pm 12/3/20
    • Look, ND barely pays Kelly let alone a coordinator. ND needs to pay him or HE GONE! [NT] - Blickster - 2:44pm 12/3/20
      • That's bullshit....always a myth that ND doesn't pay [NT] - weisguy19 - 8:56am 12/4/20
      • This is nonsense. Do you think Kelly is an idiot? [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 3:04pm 12/3/20
        • In 2020 we Google for credibility. Please see link. [NT] [LINK] - Blickster - 4:02pm 12/3/20
          • So, let me get this straight, you actually think that Brian Kelly's total compensation package had - TakethetrainKnute - 5:21pm 12/3/20
            • That’s the only way they would keep him. Work for less than everyone on campus but get a title, - whatsamataU - 6:22pm 12/3/20
      • ND barely pays Kelly? You do know that the University is NOT obligated to release salaries... - Domer From Hell - 2:55pm 12/3/20
        • Not a secret.... [NT] [LINK] - Blickster - 4:08pm 12/3/20
          • Seems to be for you. [NT] - whatsamataU - 6:23pm 12/3/20
          • Please refer to D2's post. Kelly's base compensation isn't his total compensation. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 5:54pm 12/3/20
          • Perhaps you should read the article you posted? - D2 - 4:35pm 12/3/20
        • Do you have an idea of what the actual bottom line is for Kelly? - Napoleon - 3:04pm 12/3/20
          • No, but I would estimate that it's north of 5.5million a year. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 5:55pm 12/3/20
            • Good estimate. He just extended after three 10 or more win seasons. There is simply no way he could - TakethetrainKnute - 9:23am 12/4/20
    • Where has the "HC in waiting" strategy every worked? - ND_in_DRO - 2:03pm 12/3/20
      • OSU (Day), UM (Carr), Stanford (Shaw), Oklahoma (Riley)....off the top of my head. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 2:39pm 12/3/20
        • I don't think Riley was ever officially titled "HC in waiting" nor was Carr or Shaw. - D2 - 3:43pm 12/3/20
        • Shaw was never a HC in wating - ND_in_DRO - 3:12pm 12/3/20
        • Agree, I never bought into theory that an assistant needs HC experience before taking over.. - THEISMANCARR - 3:06pm 12/3/20
    • It's working with Ryan Day at OSU. [NT] - Irishize - 1:40pm 12/3/20
      • Day was never the HC-in-waiting. Meyer retired and he got promoted. Kelly hasn't retired yet. [NT] - ND_in_DRO - 2:05pm 12/3/20
        • Actually, he was in waiting - that's why they brought him in at Meyer's suggestion. - BaronVonZemo - 2:31pm 12/3/20
          • Kelly just signed a contract extension through 2024 - ND_in_DRO - 3:03pm 12/3/20
        • OK, but Day was never a head coach before, and he took over a mega-football factory successfully. [NT] - Irishize - 2:18pm 12/3/20
    • Remember Bob Davie.... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 1:34pm 12/3/20
      • Just don't think you can learn O.T.J. at Notre Dame. - jakers - 11:38pm 12/3/20
        • Very possible, but Davie was just terrible regardless - Fisher01 - 8:49am 12/4/20
        • Proven by Faust, Davie, Weis. It is too risky given the history and exposure of the job... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 2:24am 12/4/20
          • Knute Rockne was never a HC before he took over the ND program. They made a movie about him. [NT] - ELP - 9:26am 12/4/20
        • Agree. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:14am 12/4/20
      • That was my thought as well. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:44pm 12/3/20
      • Remember Tyrone Willingham..... [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 2:43pm 12/3/20
        • Sure? Your point? He wasn't a top tier coach...and lost to Davie every other year.... - TakethetrainKnute - 3:09pm 12/3/20
          • Funny story about Willingham (sort of)... - NedoftheHill - 4:09pm 12/3/20
        • He was a near .500 head coach. Never was a good hire. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:46pm 12/3/20
    • Verry tempting...I'd like to see how he performs under the "Klieg Lights" just a bit. Being ND's HC - TyroneIrish - 1:26pm 12/3/20
    • Totally disagree, I hate that "coach in waiting nonsense", and - cubsfanin16 - 1:21pm 12/3/20
    • I agree with this. - NDavenue - 1:13pm 12/3/20
    • Tough job for anyone with no previous FBS head coaching experience - CC72 - 1:08pm 12/3/20
      • Who else will know the specifics of the ND HC better? - BaronVonZemo - 1:10pm 12/3/20
    • Negative, but, pay him what the other elite DCs are earning. Make it a priority. [NT] - ELP - 1:07pm 12/3/20
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