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Anyone claiming Aaron was better, either had him as an idol, or is being a prisoner of the moment.

Author: Irish_Demon (1935 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 2:18 pm on Jan 22, 2021
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Aaron was more consistent, but Mays' highs were greater.

Mays was faster, a superior defender, and played his home games in two very hitter unfriendly ballparks. If Mays had played in County Stadium and Fulton County Stadium, instead of the Polo Grounds and Candlestick Park, he probably would've been the one to break Ruth's record. I once saw a metric called Venue-independent hitting. I have no idea how it's calculated, but Willie Mays was number one on the list for overall hitting.

As it was, Mays had a higher slugging pct, a higher On base pct, and thus a higher OPS. Those are the batting standards that are used to judge an offensive player. His WAR is higher despite playing one less season, and playing a couple seasons when he was clearly washed up. On top of that, he lost two seasons during his prime, serving in the Army.

Both were all time greats. I was a fan of both when I was growing up. But, looking past the raw numbers, and using the advanced metrics used to compare players, Willie Mays could be the greatest all around ballplayer.

These type of comparisons are always fun. Good question Hank.


Replies to: "Anyone claiming Aaron was better, either had him as an idol, or is being a prisoner of the moment."

  • Since there is no Open Forum, I'll post this here............ - ELP - 11:04am 1/22/21 (45) [View All]
    • Post in the hoopty [NT] - holybull101 - 8:48pm 1/22/21
    • He got the COVID vaccine 2 weeks ago in hopes it would encourage AAs to take it. - NDavenue - 6:50pm 1/22/21
      • He was relatively healthy prior to inniculation.., - ripperduck - 3:13pm 1/23/21
      • He just died in his “sleep” as they say -and are saying. Very suspicious [NT] - whatsamataU - 8:45am 1/23/21
        • I'm no doctor but it sounds like a possible heart attack. 86 years old not that suspicious. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 1:15pm 1/24/21
      • RFK Jr. is already using his death to promote his bat shit crazy theories. [NT] - AlbanyIRISH - 7:38am 1/23/21
        • Fuck off, ahole. It's apparent you haven't paid attention.. [NT] - ripperduck - 2:58pm 1/23/21
    • who's better Aaron or mays? [NT] - Hank the Tank - 1:13pm 1/22/21
      • Ted Williams [NT] - AlbanyIRISH - 10:24pm 1/22/21
        • Now there was a huge ego. [NT] - whatsamataU - 8:48am 1/23/21
      • Roy Hobbs, better than both. [NT] - whatsamataU - 4:48pm 1/22/21
        • Re: BS [NT] - Hank the Tank - 9:47pm 1/22/21
          • Never heard of him! [NT] - whatsamataU - 11:59am 1/23/21
            • He damn near got Jodi Ariased.... [NT] - ripperduck - 2:55pm 1/23/21
        • Book Roy Hobbs or movie Roy Hobbs? [NT] - Napoleon - 5:51pm 1/22/21
          • Movie. Book he strikes out.... [NT] - ripperduck - 3:14pm 1/23/21
            • Hence, my question. [NT] - Napoleon - 8:22am 1/24/21
        • Naturally... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 4:53pm 1/22/21
          • I always wanted to be a farmer. Ironically not now with Biden taking over. Wasn't Biden an All - THEISMANCARR - 8:49pm 1/22/21
            • Be the tax man! [NT] - whatsamataU - 8:47am 1/23/21
      • Ruth the best of all time IMO. Aaron great in home run parks. Mays great in non home run park, also - THEISMANCARR - 3:07pm 1/22/21
      • Anyone claiming Aaron was better, either had him as an idol, or is being a prisoner of the moment. - Irish_Demon - 2:18pm 1/22/21
        • The glamour era of baseball was the early to mid-late 50's. Only eight teams in each league, the - THEISMANCARR - 3:26pm 1/22/21
          • It goes hand in hand with what you're saying, it was a common phrase to refer to a team as a , - cubsfanin16 - 3:39pm 1/22/21
            • Actually the era after World War II was pretty darn glamorous with guys like Ted Williams, Bob - THEISMANCARR - 3:49pm 1/22/21
              • Don't stain the service records of true HEROES Ted Williams and Bob Feller.... - Nigel Tufnel - 8:54am 1/23/21
                • You're right I should not have done that, DiMaggio was a true ass and I debated with myself as to - THEISMANCARR - 2:08pm 1/23/21
              • Let's not confuse the sacrifices between William's and DiMaggio. - AlbanyIRISH - 7:45am 1/23/21
              • Hank Greenberg belongs in that company too, Ive read books on both - cubsfanin16 - 7:28pm 1/22/21
              • I agree, they were more glamorous. And to take that it a step further - Irish_Demon - 5:13pm 1/22/21
        • Yeah parks make a huge difference. Deron Johnson in an interview said if Mantle would have played in - THEISMANCARR - 3:10pm 1/22/21
      • Both are all-time greats - Mark - 2:02pm 1/22/21
        • Based on what, exactly? - jakers - 10:25pm 1/22/21
      • I think Willie arguably is best all around ballplayer ever, BUT - cubsfanin16 - 1:50pm 1/22/21
        • he was in NY, of couse he gained much of the national press. - Hank the Tank - 2:11pm 1/22/21
          • As i said, I'd go with Willie, it was delineated well by other poster [NT] - cubsfanin16 - 3:02pm 1/22/21
            • and I would go with Hank Aaron [NT] - Hank the Tank - 1:34pm 1/23/21
              • Understandable since you grew up with him as an idol [NT] - Irish_Demon - 6:09pm 1/23/21
                • Of course! [NT] - Hank the Tank - 8:13pm 1/23/21
    • Rest in peace Hammerin' Hank. [NT] - AlbanyIRISH - 12:32pm 1/22/21
    • All news sources are just now reporting it. RIP Hammerin’ Hank! [NT] - jimbasil - 11:16am 1/22/21
    • Here's a link for it [NT] [LINK] - Irish_Demon - 11:07am 1/22/21
      • Thanks guys. Hank was a terrific ambassador for baseball and our nation. RIP [NT] - ELP - 11:22am 1/22/21
        • None better. Great guy as well. [NT] - Aragoto - 11:51am 1/22/21
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