The only way it is as bad as the first two games is if the OL played that bad. The way the OL

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The only way it is as bad as the first two games is if the OL played that bad. The way the OL

Author: tky21 (2595 Posts - Joined: May 13, 2010)

Posted at 2:49 pm on Sep 26, 2022

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played against Cal, I'm not sure the game would have even been close with Buchner at QB. We wasted a quarter and a half for Pyne to get rid of his butterflies.

"Put a Riddell on somebody and be the most physical team in the country until the whistle blows."

Replies to: "The only way it is as bad as the first two games is if the OL played that bad. The way the OL"

IF Buchner would not have gotten hurt, would he have started vs. NC ? [NT] - OklahomaIrishman - 9:06am 9/26/22 (43) [View All]
- 1-2 probably yes, 0-3 no. [NT] - ND521 - 3:37pm 9/26/22
- You gotta ask yourself ... would we have beaten Cal with a Buchner led offense? - GaSubwayIrish - 3:10pm 9/26/22
  - We have no way of knowing the answer - wrdomerson - 3:16pm 9/27/22
  - Yes. Probably wouldn't have been close. [NT] - tky21 - 7:15am 9/27/22
  - We would have beaten them easier than we did. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 7:04pm 9/26/22
    - Exactly, and there's no reason to think Buchner wouldn't have been as successful vs UNC's defense.. - Chrisb - 7:57pm 9/26/22
      - Agree 100%, but I don't like the way Buchner is getting hammered here. Only reason I said something. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 6:43pm 9/27/22
        And just like you have an opinion so do we - WoodstockIrish - 8:13am 9/28/22
      - Correct. Pyne is the guy we have right now and we support him. [NT] - Frank L - 8:26pm 9/26/22
- Yes - ndunabomber - 12:05pm 9/26/22
- Definitely. It's clear that the staff (both last year and this year) have a far higher opinion of - tky21 - 11:49am 9/26/22
  - More Upside - IdahoIrish - 11:58am 9/26/22
    - What evidence do you have that he’s any better than Hendrix or Holiday? [NT] - holybull101 - 10:37pm 9/26/22
    - What upside? - WoodstockIrish - 4:39pm 9/26/22
    - So much wrong here with this logic. - oldirish - 3:52pm 9/26/22
      - You're smart enough to see that he had no help in those first two games. Protection was horrible and - THEISMANCARR - 7:06pm 9/26/22
        Is it that he "wasn't allowed" or that "he couldn't" I see this excuse thrown around a lot. - oldirish - 10:07pm 9/26/22
        Why does nobody understand the concept of a QB that can complete passes changes how a defense attack - GaSubwayIrish - 10:24pm 9/26/22
        
        He still only completed 50ish% of his passes rendering the offense one dimensional - GaSubwayIrish - 9:19pm 9/26/22
        Wimbush / Golson 2.0 like clockwork. [NT] - oldirish - 10:08pm 9/26/22
    - Jurko was never the answer [NT] - ColeyO - 12:05pm 9/26/22
- Unfortunately [NT] - WoodstockIrish - 9:56am 9/26/22
  - Very unfortantely [NT] - oldirish - 10:20am 9/26/22
- of course [NT] - DonMiller - 9:40am 9/26/22
- Would he have beaten Cal in your hypothetical? [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:26am 9/26/22
  - Even had he lost to Cal, they'd have started Buchner. They don't have a high opinion of Pyne. [NT] - tky21 - 11:50am 9/26/22
    - Disagree, that would have been a must win for Buchner. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 7:08pm 9/26/22
    - Sorry, don't believe that. Freeman would have been in a very tough place at 0-4, 0-3 on the season. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 12:08pm 9/26/22
      - That doesn't mean bench the starting QB. This team (and QB) goes as the OL goes. [NT] - tky21 - 1:53pm 9/26/22
        May not mean it...but, in my humble opinion, that is what would have happened. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 1:58pm 9/26/22
        The only way it is as bad as the first two games is if the OL played that bad. The way the OL - tky21 - 2:49pm 9/26/22
        Or did the OL play better because the box wasn't stacked to stop the run? - GaSubwayIrish - 3:13pm 9/26/22
        So a less mobile QB made the opposing team stack the box less? That makes no sense. Nothing about - tky21 - 3:47pm 9/26/22
        I’m not saying the OL didn’t improve. But OSU obviously game planned to stop Buchner and ND from - GaSubwayIrish - 9:12pm 9/26/22
        
        Why would you not game-plan to stop a running QB? [NT] - GaSubwayIrish - 9:09pm 9/26/22
        
        55% passing versus 70% passing. Makes a defense change a little. [NT] - GaSubwayIrish - 9:07pm 9/26/22
        Pyne's downfield passing isn't scaring anybody. The OL is getting better and better. Rees calling - tky21 - 10:07pm 9/26/22
        It’s all about keeping a defense honest. OSU and Marshall didn’t respect that with Buchner in. [NT] - GaSubwayIrish - 10:25pm 9/26/22
        
        * [NT] - GaSubwayIrish - 10:25pm 9/26/22
        
        * [NT] - GaSubwayIrish - 10:25pm 9/26/22
        
        Just need the threat. Don’t have to scare. Team is improving as is Rees. [NT] - GaSubwayIrish - 10:19pm 9/26/22
  - No [NT] - OklahomaIrishman - 9:45am 9/26/22
    - Then, no. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:54am 9/26/22