In all fairness. Buchner looked bad and we lost. Pyne has looked bad at times and we still won. The

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In all fairness. Buchner looked bad and we lost. Pyne has looked bad at times and we still won. The

Author: oldirish (9169 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 8:54 am on Nov 24, 2022

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key difference is leadership and you see it in how the team gels and the offense has gotten better. You saw the exact same thing happen under Book and Rees.

Replies to: "In all fairness. Buchner looked bad and we lost. Pyne has looked bad at times and we still won. The"

W Marcus Freeman Leaves Door Open For Tyler Buchner Return In Notre Dame Bowl Game, [NT] [LINK] - whatsamataU - 12:33pm 11/23/22 (57) [View All]
- If Buchner can play, I think the coaches go with him in a heartbeat. That they are looking for a tr - tky21 - 8:22pm 11/23/22
  - I don't get the love for Buchner. Fact is that neither are very good. - NDQuebec - 7:32am 11/24/22
    - Tend to agree. Neither are good. Haven’t seen enough of Buchner to say which is worse. [NT] - Frank L - 5:59pm 11/24/22
    - Buchner is our starting QB. Coaches clearly think he is far better, not only running but - tky21 - 9:19am 11/24/22
      - Correction, Buchner 'was' the starter, now Pyne 'is' the starter.. - Chrisb - 1:26pm 11/24/22
        No, Buchner is our starting QB (or QB1 if you'd rather) but is injured. The backup (Pyne) starts in - tky21 - 4:00pm 11/24/22
        You are so far off the mark here, it's pointless even trying to reason with you. - Chrisb - 7:40pm 11/24/22
        No, I'm not. If your QB1 gets healthy and is a major upgrade, you play him. Shouldn't be a - tky21 - 7:56pm 11/24/22
        "As for next year, I'm in favor of them competing." That's what I've been saying the whole damn time - Chrisb - 10:13pm 11/24/22
    - Thank you - WoodstockIrish - 8:40am 11/24/22
      - I agree 100% that our QB's are poor, overall. But Buchner is far better. He is not so short so he - tky21 - 9:22am 11/24/22
      - Amen. The level of delirium and excuses is mindboggling. I'm not even sure if the supporters watch - oldirish - 8:49am 11/24/22
        Delirium is thinking Pyne is anything but a very poor FBS QB. Everyone sees it. It's obvious. [NT] - tky21 - 9:28am 11/24/22
        8-1 with a win over #4. That's all I can say about that. [NT] - oldirish - 10:02pm 11/24/22
        
        Delirium is constantly proclaiming Buchner like the second coming of John Elway - WoodstockIrish - 8:09pm 11/24/22
        Thank you. Just a general reminder. This John Elway we have is 0-2. Just a reminder. [NT] - oldirish - 10:03pm 11/24/22
- What a slap in the face for Pyne - WoodstockIrish - 12:44pm 11/23/22
  - What he's proven to the coaches is enough for me. He's the starting QB. He should play if healthy. [NT] - tky21 - 9:56am 11/24/22
    - What has he proven? - WoodstockIrish - 10:08pm 11/25/22
  - Re: What a slap in the face for Pyne - skiptomylou - 8:07pm 11/23/22
  - Brilliant! Now defenses have to prepare for two QBs who can’t throw accurately! [NT] - LanceManion - 7:46pm 11/23/22
  - Maybe they’re just needling Pyne. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 5:58pm 11/23/22
    - Barking up the wrong tree and going out on a limb? [NT] - WoodstockIrish - 6:35pm 11/23/22
      - Just a bunch of saps, right? [NT] - murph78 - 9:06pm 11/23/22
        That's a straw man argument [NT] - MarkHarman - 9:34pm 11/23/22
  - Should Pyne be gifted the job because the starting qb got hurt? - D2 - 4:29pm 11/23/22
    - Correction. Pyne has excelled at leading the team to an 8-1 record. That's all. Hard to argue that. - oldirish - 10:04pm 11/24/22
    - Funny, 19 passes weren’t batted down - WoodstockIrish - 6:37pm 11/23/22
    - You don’t win much with ordinary - WoodstockIrish - 6:36pm 11/23/22
      - The next game that ND wins because Pyne is the QB will be the first - D2 - 6:42pm 11/23/22
  - Pyne Has proven he’s a big-time team player I don’t think he cares [NT] - KWIRISH - 4:11pm 11/23/22
    - He's getting to live his dream these last 9 weeks and good for him. He shouldn't be a starter again - tky21 - 8:14pm 11/23/22
  - I’d like to see both play. Will also be interesting to see how Pyne does without Mayer. [NT] - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 3:50pm 11/23/22
  - Why? Buchner is our starting QB. Why wouldn’t he play if healthy?? [NT] - tky21 - 2:18pm 11/23/22
    - Because when he did play (include last year pls), he was not very good. [NT] - NDQuebec - 7:33am 11/24/22
      - Last year he's a true freshman who hadn't played in years. He's our starting QB. He should play. [NT] - tky21 - 11:09am 11/24/22
      - Thank you [NT] - WoodstockIrish - 8:42am 11/24/22
        Others have to intentionally not be looking at these facts. [NT] - oldirish - 8:51am 11/24/22
        If he gets healthy and plays in the bowl game, a lot of Pyne-lovers will be eating crow. [NT] - tky21 - 11:10am 11/24/22
        Please tell me what Crow? He's 8-1 and they've scored 40+ points in 5 straight games. The first time - oldirish - 10:11pm 11/24/22
  - Not at all. Makes bowl opponent have to prepare for so much more. - BaronVonZemo - 1:19pm 11/23/22
  - In all fairness to Pyne, he's had more of a chance to cement a starting job than Buchner. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 1:03pm 11/23/22
    - In all fairness. Buchner looked bad and we lost. Pyne has looked bad at times and we still won. The - oldirish - 8:54am 11/24/22
      - Buchner's far better. That's why he is our starting QB and Pyne is the backup even though he's older [NT] - tky21 - 10:08am 11/24/22
        Pyne's play has the coaches to actively start looking for a transfer QB midseason. Enough said. [NT] - tky21 - 10:09am 11/24/22
    - Correct. And the result is ND looking for a transfer so they won't have to go with Pyne next year if - tky21 - 8:16pm 11/23/22
  - Buchner did win the starting job, you think it's fair he loses it due to injury? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:57pm 11/23/22
    - A slap in the face would be making Buchner pay the price for shitty Oline play.... - NDavenue - 1:55pm 11/23/22
      - Agree. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:41pm 11/23/22
  - Why? He didn't say anything about TB starting, he said he might be able to play. - Irish_Demon - 12:48pm 11/23/22
    - Packages? We need him throwing the ball too. We might not be able to run 75% of the time and win. [NT] - tky21 - 6:24pm 11/24/22
    - Exactly. Pyne has been adequate at best. If he has - Frank L - 12:52pm 11/23/22
      - Let the bowl opponent have to prep for two different QBs. - ELP - 1:09pm 11/23/22
        There are two reasons why it made sense for Freeman to make that statement: - b2runn - 3:00pm 11/23/22
        Amir Carlisle (USC) and Alohi Gilman (Navy) - NDavenue - 3:57pm 11/23/22
        Re: Amir Carlisle (USC) and Alohi Gilman (Navy) - b2runn - 5:00pm 11/23/22
        True about Navy. The key is to target Frosh or Sophs. 3rd year students are a no go. - NDavenue - 5:12pm 11/23/22