For all the criticism they get (a lot of it valid) this D doesn’t give up many points, 17 to OSU and

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For all the criticism they get (a lot of it valid) this D doesn’t give up many points, 17 to OSU and

Author: Frank L (64047 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 6:29 pm on Oct 1, 2023

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14 to Duke. Same with the prior warm up games. A decent team on O should win handily with that play. What am I missing?

Replies to: "For all the criticism they get (a lot of it valid) this D doesn’t give up many points, 17 to OSU and"

Was at the Duke game - a few observations - NEPA Irish - 6:21pm 10/1/23 (38) [View All]
- How was campus, tailgating, and the Duke fans? Seems like a great atmosphere. [NT] - ELP - 10:02am 10/2/23
- The tackling is the biggest problem. Hallmark of the quality of a defense. Elko, Lea and Diaco - tky21 - 8:57pm 10/1/23
- The ND noise toward the end was noticeable on TV - that surprised me. [NT] - LanceManion - 6:59pm 10/1/23
- Has there been any actual published data on the referee situation - WoodstockIrish - 6:29pm 10/1/23
  - Oh yeah, they always publish data to deligitimize their officiating. - DiscoRick - 9:02pm 10/1/23
    - Oh don't mind woody...he's our resident anti-fan. - Chrisb - 10:31pm 10/1/23
      - Just saving you all from the constant whining - WoodstockIrish - 10:58pm 10/1/23
        Yes because no other fan base complains about bad calls [NT] - McIrish - 11:55pm 10/1/23
        Stop it, he's our anti-fan...we don't need to share him. [NT] - Chrisb - 11:57pm 10/1/23
        
        Some of it is whining, some of it is valid - Chrisb - 11:54pm 10/1/23
        Yes, I don’t agree with 100% of the calls but I don’t incessantly whine - WoodstockIrish - 7:12am 10/2/23
        You do, however, incessantly whine about other posters - Clem - 1:38pm 10/2/23
  - Many of ours were legit, but refs are hiding it by not calling other way-this game 16 for ND, 2forD - BaronVonZemo - 7:08pm 10/1/23
    - Agree with most of this but by rule, the targeting call was not egregious. - McIrish - 7:22pm 10/1/23
      - Here’s why it is egregious imo…. - BaronVonZemo - 10:06pm 10/1/23
        I don't believe anyone claimed they waived the rules to keep with the spirit of the rules. - McIrish - 12:01am 10/2/23
        Notre Dame has been the victim of the targeting rule far more than opponents. - iairishcheeks - 2:18am 10/2/23
        
        Sorry but when you are the one crying foul, you have to stick to complaints that are actually valid - Chrisb - 10:43pm 10/1/23
        You nailed the two obviously bad, potential game changers. I have no issue with the targeting - Frank L - 9:01am 10/2/23
  - Nope. Most of the penalty calls on us yesterday were legit. Think that the beef is with them - Frank L - 6:37pm 10/1/23
    - The two that were egregious: Bothelo and punt review [NT] - LanceManion - 7:03pm 10/1/23
      - The only thing that was egregious on Bothelo play, was him putting his head down like that.. - Chrisb - 10:52pm 10/1/23
      - And picking up the PI flag, and the penalty disparity when there were clearly uncalled holds on Duke [NT] - DiscoRick - 9:10pm 10/1/23
  - Bro, I was seated on the 5 yd. line were the punt should have been marked out of bounds - NEPA Irish - 6:35pm 10/1/23
    - You can't convince some people the sky is blue. Breath is wasted on them. [NT] - DiscoRick - 9:07pm 10/1/23
    - On any of the egregious calls, did Marcus engage the refs, let alone work them? [NT] - LanceManion - 6:58pm 10/1/23
      - He ragged on one ref vs OUS for that horrendous non-call re: Flores - D2 - 7:40pm 10/1/23
- For all the criticism they get (a lot of it valid) this D doesn’t give up many points, 17 to OSU and - Frank L - 6:29pm 10/1/23
  - This reminds me of past teams with bend don’t break solid D but offensive woes [NT] - LanceManion - 7:00pm 10/1/23
  - I agree Frank, the D has played well enough that ND should be undefeated. The O still struggles to - jray - 6:32pm 10/1/23
    - That’s my thought. D has played well enough to be undefeated. Are there deficiencies, sure. - Frank L - 6:43pm 10/1/23
- The million dollar question. Is the lack of WR separation scheme/route designs or talent issue? - jray - 6:25pm 10/1/23
  - Scheme will help vs a zone defense. Against man, the receiver needs to beat the DB. - McIrish - 7:27pm 10/1/23
    - I’ve been saying they should put Tyree in motion just like Bama did with Devanta Smith. [NT] - jray - 10:20pm 10/1/23
  - Talent/speed….and our 2 best of 3 consistent targets that can get open were also out. Enter the TE O [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 7:10pm 10/1/23
  - I believe it's not so much "lack of talent", but lack of technique in beating press coverage. That - NEPA Irish - 6:30pm 10/1/23
    - For anyone not a freshman, shouldn’t this have been taught - ndphysics - 6:49pm 10/1/23
  - Or inexperience, or D’s with good secondary’s in the last 2 games? But that is certainly true. [NT] - Frank L - 6:30pm 10/1/23