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Better question, why not pose this question down below in the thread discussing this?

Author: Chrisb (16381 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 10:16 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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But since you asked...if it's just common sense, as you say, and our head coach wants something different (in the heat of the moment) than what common sense dictates, does that mean he lacks common sense?

Or does it mean he lacks enough of these moments under his belt, to in the heat of the moment be comfortable and confident sticking with common sense decisions instead of over thinking things.

I was one talking about this, and while I didn't directly link it to his HC experience down below, there is a tie in there.

First and foremost let's address the elephant...I don't think Freeman is a stupid person who lacks common sense. But there is a HUGE difference between making cool, calm, poised, common sense decisions from the comfort of home while watching the game Vs being The Guy with the eyes of the world on you and making those decisions in real time with all of the pressure on you. This kind of pressure can either make someone great or destroy them, depending on the person.

That pressure, can make many a smart, common sense having man, make incredibly bone headed decisions, especially if they aren't ready for it yet or maybe just aren't built for it.

We saw last season that he wasn't ready for it. We'll find out over the next couple years if he's built for it.

The advantage of hiring someone with Head coaching experience is that they've already been tested and performed under this kind of pressure, which is not remotely the same as what is felt being a Coordinator. Also, you can see and assess how they performed in these moments instead of relying on instincts and guesswork about how they will respond under the pressure.

There is a reason Holtz said he needed every bit of his HC experience before he came to ND. There is a reason Marcus Freeman has said numerous times there is no substitute for experience. It's real, he knows it now, experience does matter, and someone who has been under that pressure for a number of years and had the opportunity to learn from mistakes (under a spotlight maybe not so bright), in most cases is going to be better prepared to maintain their composure and make the same kind of reasonable common sense decisions they/we would make if safe at home watching, while they are in the heat of the moment. Battle tested is what we called it in the Corps

That is how HC experience in general ties in, but the more specific issue with Coach Freeman that I pointed to below, is that I think he doesn't have the offensive situational awareness that comes from 1) being an offensive minded person 2) from having some experience as being in the role as The Offensive Guy before.

Freeman didn't walk in the door with any offensive experience so the only offensive experience he's going to get now will come through additional years of HC experience and living and learning through mistakes on the biggest stage and absorbingfrom his OC. I don't think this would be as much of a concern if he hired a quality experienced OC (like Ludwig) but instead when the Ludwig deal fell out, he didn't go down the list and get someone in between but went all the way down to hiring a guy from within, with not much OC experience.

So now we have a HC (with no offensive experience) learning on the job paired with an OC who is basically learning on the job himself.

This how you get situations like when tosu used their 2nd timeout with 2:28 remaining and we don't just run three times to definitely pull their final timeout and possibly ice the game with a first down, or thinking we would have been better off downing it at the 1 instead of taking the sure TD.

To look at the opposite end of the spectrum, Saban is a defensive coach, but he's had enough experience as a HC at multiple stops to recognize when it's time to interject himself on the offensive side and has gained knowledge over the years to make good decisions there, comfortably.

Time will tell if Freeman is the man, but to keep pretending that experience has nothing to do with it is just silly, as it has already displayed in front of our eyes numerous times that it has a lot to do with it.


"Notre Dame by a million..Go Irish!" -Shane Gillis

Replies to: "Better question, why not pose this question down below in the thread discussing this?"

  • Why do you need HC "experience" to know Estime should have scored? - MarkHarman - 11:21am 10/1/23 (12) [View All]
    • Better question, why not pose this question down below in the thread discussing this? - Chrisb - 10:16pm 10/1/23
    • MF over thinking things a bit, - Clem - 5:04pm 10/1/23
    • Also, remember the Tennessee game in 1991... - ndunabomber - 12:37pm 10/1/23
      • I hate relying on a kicker at anytime. But I was not worried when we had a 7 point lead with 51 - THEISMANCARR - 1:22am 10/2/23
    • I feel Estime did the right thing. FG kicker known to shank short ones. [NT] - bobdrake - 12:29pm 10/1/23
    • They're being silly - ndunabomber - 11:41am 10/1/23
      • Exactly!!! [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 1:24am 10/2/23
      • Exactly, always take the sure thing! [NT] - jamie - 1:31pm 10/1/23
        • Which MF failed to do on the opening drive of OSU. Take the points. He's messing this part up. [NT] - oldirish - 3:14pm 10/1/23
          • I wasn't upset with those calls, against OSU if Same plays it like he did against Duke and bowls - THEISMANCARR - 1:28am 10/2/23
      • Well said. In nfl yes in college no [NT] - ndphysics - 12:55pm 10/1/23
      • Good analysis. [NT] - Frank L - 12:25pm 10/1/23
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