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Let me explain the math to you (not precise but used as an example)

Author: MarkHarman (7241 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 7:00 pm on Oct 3, 2023
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You score a TD with 31 seconds to go, as Estime did. You kick the extra point or fail to get the 2-point conversion. The other team has, say, a 6% chance to score a TD and win the game, so your chances of winning are now 94%. If you go for 2 and get it, other team may now have a 4% chance of winning, and yours are now 96%. Combined we're looking at about a 95% chance of winning if Estime scores a TD.

You fall down at the 1. Duke has 3 timeouts left and has to burn one. You run 3 more plays, and let the clock run down to maybe 3 seconds left, Duke has no timeouts left. Your kicker kicks what basically is an extra point and he makes these 97% of the time, so you have a 97% chance of winning doing it this way. And 97% > 95%.

Maybe Duke's chances of scoring a TD and winning in OT were less than 3%, but that's undoubtedly low. So Freeman is right, the analytics dictated ND would have a better chance of winning had Estime fallen down at the 1.

This is not hard to understand. But as I said, analytics doesn't take into account game flow. Maybe Shrader in this tense situation is only 85-90%, who knows? Either way, ND had a great chance to win at this point.


This message has been edited 4 time(s).

Replies to: "Let me explain the math to you (not precise but used as an example)"

  • Notre Dame Coach's Corner: Marcus Freeman Looks Toward Louisville and Reflects on Another Tense Game [NT] [LINK] - UHND - 2:37pm 10/2/23 (19) [View All]
    • Earth to Marcus: Estime blew up your FG analytics chart. Be glad he did! [NT] - Irishize - 3:01pm 10/2/23
      • Estime did the right thing. Proud of him [NT] - bobdrake - 8:32am 10/3/23
      • The failure of Duke's D line to stay in their lanes AND some great ND O line blocking helped as well [NT] - Curly1918 - 5:04pm 10/2/23
      • He's not still sticking to that is he? [NT] - Chrisb - 4:13pm 10/2/23
        • It's a matter of percentages - MarkHarman - 5:44pm 10/2/23
          • Nope, sorry, wrong answer...that is a broken analytic. - Chrisb - 7:51pm 10/2/23
            • Analytics takes all of that into account - MarkHarman - 6:56am 10/3/23
              • Forget game flow, forget emotion.. - Chrisb - 7:31am 10/3/23
                • Let me explain the math to you (not precise but used as an example) - MarkHarman - 7:00pm 10/3/23
                  • I can just make up percentages too.. - Chrisb - 8:00pm 10/3/23
                    • I give up - MarkHarman - 9:44pm 10/3/23
                      • Good - Chrisb - 12:32am 10/4/23
                • Heck yea. Go up by 5 or 7 and make them score a td in 31 seconds. [NT] - MuskyTommy - 7:37am 10/3/23
                  • That a big part of it, but most important factor is sure points.. - Chrisb - 7:52am 10/3/23
            • Yeah, it's great in theory - McIrish - 8:13pm 10/2/23
              • Yeah its great when you push the B button and kick always goes through.. - Chrisb - 8:23pm 10/2/23
          • Too bad he didn't tell his OC to play the percentages - Clem - 6:50pm 10/2/23
            • No shit right, that would have be good time to go with the analytics. [NT] - Chrisb - 8:02pm 10/2/23
        • He can't seem to let it go. Maybe he needs analysis. [NT] - Irishize - 4:18pm 10/2/23
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