I don't think we would have lost to USC, Hartman didn't do anything in that game...

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I don't think we would have lost to USC, Hartman didn't do anything in that game...

Author: Chrisb (16603 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:38 pm on Dec 5, 2023

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it was all defense like Clemson last year.

I think same 3 we lost to, plus Duke and NCSt like you said, plus a near miss vs CMU and all the blowouts would have been more modest wins.

"Shit! We suck again." -anonymous

Replies to: "I don't think we would have lost to USC, Hartman didn't do anything in that game..."

Final Verdict: Was the Sam Hartman venture worth it? - Irishize - 5:29pm 12/5/23 (43) [View All]
- It’s a push. - Hensou - 5:10pm 12/6/23
- No [NT] - jonpaultoo - 10:48am 12/6/23
- Yes. [NT] - faircatchcorby - 9:08am 12/6/23
- Yes. - AlbanyIRISH - 6:48am 12/6/23
- Yes. 100% [NT] - conorlarkin - 6:46am 12/6/23
- No [NT] - bobdrake - 6:06am 12/6/23
- Very much so, and we had almost no one for him to throw it to. [NT] - FinnMcCool - 12:02am 12/6/23
- Nope [NT] - Jerseymick - 11:19pm 12/5/23
- Per the female fan base, a resounding yes. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 10:19pm 12/5/23
- What was the alternative? [NT] - NDNEIL - 9:07pm 12/5/23
- No. We have the same record and he was an insignificant factor in games that could have easily been - oldirish - 8:31pm 12/5/23
  - Well said, and right on the screws [NT] - ColeyO - 9:08pm 12/5/23
- Absolutely - ndunabomber - 7:30pm 12/5/23
- Hell no. - NDblues - 7:19pm 12/5/23
- Yes. It turned the page on the Pyne/Buchner saga (thank god). [NT] - tky21 - 6:55pm 12/5/23
  - Who basically gave us the same performance as Hartman [NT] - ColeyO - 7:21pm 12/5/23
    - False narrative. [NT] - Chrisb - 7:27pm 12/5/23
      - Very little difference between them, Hartman experiment was serviceable, and that is all [NT] - ColeyO - 8:48pm 12/5/23
    - No Mike Mayer this year - ndunabomber - 7:26pm 12/5/23
      - Thx Karnack, did you notice Hartman's favorite target was Mitchell, A TE, before he - ColeyO - 8:49pm 12/5/23
        Evans was good, but he's no Mayer - ndunabomber - 10:08pm 12/5/23
        Didn't say he was Mayer, said Hartman used - ColeyO - 10:23pm 12/5/23
      - Not only that, our OL was good this year but not like HH had them playing last year. [NT] - tky21 - 7:45pm 12/5/23
        Our OL was good this year?? Are the guards not part of the OL you're referring to? - Chrisb - 7:58pm 12/5/23
- Decent idea? Yes, Was it squandered? Yea. QB w/o Oc is pointless [NT] - LanceManion - 6:55pm 12/5/23
  - Yeah this is where I'm at ^^^ [NT] - Chrisb - 7:32pm 12/5/23
- Depending on what it cost? Definitely could've went 9-3 with others - Rocketman84 - 6:17pm 12/5/23
  - ^^^This [NT] - oldirish - 8:32pm 12/5/23
- He is what he is, not what we hoped,or - ColeyO - 6:17pm 12/5/23
- Yes. We would have lost NC State, Duke, and maybe USC in addition to the games we lost w/ Hartman. - BaronVonZemo - 6:05pm 12/5/23
  - I don't think we would have lost to USC, Hartman didn't do anything in that game... - Chrisb - 7:38pm 12/5/23
    - Don't think ND would have lost to NC ST either, maybe one more win, hardly worth it.. [NT] - cubsfanin16 - 8:05pm 12/5/23
  - TOTALLY AGREE [NT] - NEPA Irish - 6:08pm 12/5/23
- The alternative was Buchner throwing a dozen pick 6s [NT] - holybull101 - 5:39pm 12/5/23
  - Hartman threw 8 interceptions in his last 6 - ColeyO - 6:21pm 12/5/23
    - And Buchner threw 3 Ints in the "best" game he ever had for us... - Chrisb - 7:54pm 12/5/23
      - Bullseye - ndunabomber - 11:53pm 12/5/23
        Possibly, but did he win us any more games ? [NT] - ColeyO - 10:21am 12/6/23
  - Well Hartman had 7 TO's in two games....Cant get much worse [NT] - Rocketman84 - 6:20pm 12/5/23
    - Not to mention his fumbles [NT] - ColeyO - 6:22pm 12/5/23
- Yes + agreed ! [NT] - KWIRISH - 5:35pm 12/5/23
- I think so. - NDavenue - 5:34pm 12/5/23
- Was worth the shot at the time. Could have turned out better. Can’t see it being worse than Buchner - Frank L - 5:32pm 12/5/23

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