I'm assuming you have functional eyes and saw how these two looked on the same field in B&G game.
Buchner is not on Hartman's level any more than Hartman is on (name an elite QB) level.
The mistake you and so many have made is comparing what Hartman did this year to what they did last year. Three things make this a flawed comparison: OC, OL and Mayer.
Buchner and Pyne would have struggled mightily this year, with Parker, OL that consistently got beat quickly and badly inside putting DL right in QB (Pyne) face who was not mobile enough to escape and WRs who didn't create much separation most of the season forcing QB (Buchner) to be highly accurate which he wasn't.
This season sucked with Hartman and I'm disappointed, but it didn't suck because of him, he just wasn't good enough overcome our obstacles consistently. But if we had Buchner and Pyne, this season would have been a total disaster.
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Replies to: "And Buchner threw 3 Ints in the "best" game he ever had for us..."
- Final Verdict: Was the Sam Hartman venture worth it? - Irishize - 5:29pm 12/5/23
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- It’s a push. - Hensou - 5:10pm 12/6/23
- No [NT] - jonpaultoo - 10:48am 12/6/23
- Yes. [NT] - faircatchcorby - 9:08am 12/6/23
- Yes. - AlbanyIRISH - 6:48am 12/6/23
- Yes. 100% [NT] - conorlarkin - 6:46am 12/6/23
- No [NT] - bobdrake - 6:06am 12/6/23
- Very much so, and we had almost no one for him to throw it to. [NT] - FinnMcCool - 12:02am 12/6/23
- Nope [NT] - Jerseymick - 11:19pm 12/5/23
- Per the female fan base, a resounding yes. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 10:19pm 12/5/23
- What was the alternative? [NT] - NDNEIL - 9:07pm 12/5/23
- No. We have the same record and he was an insignificant factor in games that could have easily been - oldirish - 8:31pm 12/5/23
- Well said, and right on the screws [NT] - ColeyO - 9:08pm 12/5/23
- Absolutely - ndunabomber - 7:30pm 12/5/23
- Hell no. - NDblues - 7:19pm 12/5/23
- Yes. It turned the page on the Pyne/Buchner saga (thank god). [NT]
- tky21 - 6:55pm 12/5/23
- Who basically gave us the same performance as Hartman [NT]
- ColeyO - 7:21pm 12/5/23
- False narrative. [NT]
- Chrisb - 7:27pm 12/5/23
- Very little difference between them, Hartman experiment was serviceable, and that is all [NT] - ColeyO - 8:48pm 12/5/23
- No Mike Mayer this year - ndunabomber - 7:26pm 12/5/23
- Thx Karnack, did you notice Hartman's favorite target was Mitchell, A TE, before he - ColeyO - 8:49pm 12/5/23
- Evans was good, but he's no Mayer - ndunabomber - 10:08pm 12/5/23
- Didn't say he was Mayer, said Hartman used - ColeyO - 10:23pm 12/5/23
- Evans was good, but he's no Mayer - ndunabomber - 10:08pm 12/5/23
- Not only that, our OL was good this year but not like HH had them playing last year. [NT]
- tky21 - 7:45pm 12/5/23
- Our OL was good this year?? Are the guards not part of the OL you're referring to? - Chrisb - 7:58pm 12/5/23
- Thx Karnack, did you notice Hartman's favorite target was Mitchell, A TE, before he - ColeyO - 8:49pm 12/5/23
- False narrative. [NT]
- Chrisb - 7:27pm 12/5/23
- Who basically gave us the same performance as Hartman [NT]
- ColeyO - 7:21pm 12/5/23
- Decent idea? Yes, Was it squandered? Yea. QB w/o Oc is pointless [NT]
- LanceManion - 6:55pm 12/5/23
- Yeah this is where I'm at ^^^ [NT] - Chrisb - 7:32pm 12/5/23
- Depending on what it cost? Definitely could've went 9-3 with others - Rocketman84 - 6:17pm 12/5/23
- ^^^This [NT] - oldirish - 8:32pm 12/5/23
- He is what he is, not what we hoped,or - ColeyO - 6:17pm 12/5/23
- Yes. We would have lost NC State, Duke, and maybe USC in addition to the games we lost w/ Hartman. - BaronVonZemo - 6:05pm 12/5/23
- I don't think we would have lost to USC, Hartman didn't do anything in that game... - Chrisb - 7:38pm 12/5/23
- Don't think ND would have lost to NC ST either, maybe one more win, hardly worth it.. [NT] - cubsfanin16 - 8:05pm 12/5/23
- TOTALLY AGREE [NT] - NEPA Irish - 6:08pm 12/5/23
- I don't think we would have lost to USC, Hartman didn't do anything in that game... - Chrisb - 7:38pm 12/5/23
- The alternative was Buchner throwing a dozen pick 6s [NT]
- holybull101 - 5:39pm 12/5/23
- Hartman threw 8 interceptions in his last 6 - ColeyO - 6:21pm 12/5/23
- And Buchner threw 3 Ints in the "best" game he ever had for us... - Chrisb - 7:54pm 12/5/23
- Bullseye - ndunabomber - 11:53pm 12/5/23
- Possibly, but did he win us any more games ? [NT] - ColeyO - 10:21am 12/6/23
- Bullseye - ndunabomber - 11:53pm 12/5/23
- And Buchner threw 3 Ints in the "best" game he ever had for us... - Chrisb - 7:54pm 12/5/23
- Well Hartman had 7 TO's in two games....Cant get much worse [NT]
- Rocketman84 - 6:20pm 12/5/23
- Not to mention his fumbles [NT] - ColeyO - 6:22pm 12/5/23
- Hartman threw 8 interceptions in his last 6 - ColeyO - 6:21pm 12/5/23
- Yes + agreed ! [NT] - KWIRISH - 5:35pm 12/5/23
- I think so. - NDavenue - 5:34pm 12/5/23
- Was worth the shot at the time. Could have turned out better. Can’t see it being worse than Buchner - Frank L - 5:32pm 12/5/23
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