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Not ragging on Hartman. He was limited in what he could do. He’s a good QB and

Author: tky21 (2636 Posts - Joined: May 13, 2010)
Posted at 2:28 pm on Dec 30, 2023
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we had a better season this year than we would have had because he played for us. He was more suited to the slow mesh and was greatly affected by both the OC and WR deficiencies. However, I think his reads were not great and he missed open guys. You are correct that he got pressure in his face a lot and it was his relatively shorter height that made it difficult to see or throw and his lack of real good elusiveness and running ability largely kept him in the pocket and did not allow him to punish other teams with his legs for it.

So, the three deficiencies are really just three facets of one big problem we had this year and he was affected by the other two. If we had outstanding OC’ing and great WR play, he may have been outstanding as well. But given the OC and WR play, his deficiencies were put on full display and so, because they are three facets of the same overall problem, his deficiencies contributed to that problem.

Again, good QB and we were better off having him. I included that facet of the problem as a guy like Leonard (true 6’4”) would be able to easily see over a line pushed back towards him, force the defense to be discipline in rushing, can beat a team with his legs, and help the running game against stacked boxes. So he fixes a lot of the stuff Hartman had trouble with that were caused by the WR/OC problems and because of that I thought it relevant to include.


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Replies to: "Not ragging on Hartman. He was limited in what he could do. He’s a good QB and"

  • Before we get too high off our beatdown of OSU today - ccb - 1:52am 12/30/23 (21) [View All]
    • Blah, blah, blah. It's 2023, 10 wins, and I intend to enjoy it. Next year is still next year. [NT] - faircatchcorby - 9:49am 12/30/23
    • What we did this year was done with major, glaring deficiencies. The deficiencies have been remedied - tky21 - 9:47am 12/30/23
      • Gosh, why play the games then. We had a legitimate shot this year if the OC didn't go stupid late in - THEISMANCARR - 1:53pm 12/30/23
        • Not ragging on Hartman. He was limited in what he could do. He’s a good QB and - tky21 - 2:28pm 12/30/23
          • You assume Leonard has the job? I agree others not so much [NT] - WoodstockIrish - 2:36pm 12/30/23
            • Yeah. Whether they play it off as an open competition or not, he has the job. [NT] - tky21 - 3:07pm 12/30/23
              • Unfortunately correct. Only injury will change this. [NT] - oldirish - 11:31am 12/31/23
      • So far Leonard has shown himself to be a 50% passer against defenses with a pulse. I really - ColeyO - 11:23am 12/30/23
        • He’s very one dimensional. Good news. We play almost no one next yr. So it could work until the - oldirish - 11:33am 12/31/23
        • Not just his running but his ability at 6’4” to easily see and throw over the line. That helps too. [NT] - tky21 - 2:38pm 12/30/23
        • His development is similar to Daniel Jones, we will see. Hope is a good thing. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 1:54pm 12/30/23
    • Some posters are just unbelievable. A massive beat down and you aren’t happy. [NT] - notredame678 - 9:47am 12/30/23
      • Some of these guys would bitch about a free lunch. [NT] - ColeyO - 10:54am 12/30/23
      • Is this not the truth? Holy shit I just don't get it. That game was fun, hands down. [NT] - faircatchcorby - 9:51am 12/30/23
        • One of the better games of the season and we even kept it fairly vanilla. Most of the - oldirish - 11:34am 12/31/23
    • We had a beatdown win in a bowl game with a ton of backups - lets enjoy it - Fisher01 - 9:31am 12/30/23
      • Attaboy, Fish. TRUTH. [NT] - faircatchcorby - 9:52am 12/30/23
    • Ok... but you have to admit that the trend is positive. - Curly1918 - 7:19am 12/30/23
    • Optimism doesn't suck for a fan. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 4:39am 12/30/23
    • Couldn't agree more...! [NT] - NEPA Irish - 2:48am 12/30/23
      • 14-3 ???? Maybe Lou Holtz was spot on [NT] - OHIrish - 8:05am 12/30/23
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