1. I don't see the relevance of the botched FG. Optically, yes it looked bad and compounded ugly QB

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1. I don't see the relevance of the botched FG. Optically, yes it looked bad and compounded ugly QB

Author: oldirish (9115 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 10:21 pm on Sep 23, 2024

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play and a super sluggish offense 1st half (again QB driven).

2. Yes dual QB system. I don't like it but that's the only possibility for a balanced offense in a best case scenario since MF is hellbent on playing Riley.

3. One-dimensional offenses (QB running for 300 and inaccurate passing) do not lead to championships and do not win majority of games. Hence why no one in the top 10 does this and why we are now closer to 20.

4. I have laid out the case for over a year. Sorry, I assume you have somehow not seen all the post. Ask Chrisb, he's tired of reading them. Earlier this week I laid out a post from Dec 2022 where this trainwreck was obvious - https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=6&msgid=567570

Search my name and QBR, you will find a number of posts and go back to when they were talking about brining in Riley last year, you will find a lot more. Most likely will find some pre and post Duke last year when we were able to salvage that game bc he couldn't pass. Also, go back to Wimbush days and see all my posts on why he had to go. It's the same repeat mistake.

I answered all your questions in the first post but in two sentences. To make it more clear, I numbered them to match your breakdown.

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Replies to: "1. I don't see the relevance of the botched FG. Optically, yes it looked bad and compounded ugly QB"

Show of hands. We all love talking ND football. Who prefers discussing objective truths even if - oldirish - 7:36pm 9/23/24 (62) [View All]
- I like people saying what they want to say, but perhaps UHND needs a safe space forum for snowflakes [NT] - humbaba - 10:24pm 9/23/24
- I’ll be objective- please beat UL and win out - nothing would make me happier !!!! [NT] - murph92675 - 9:14pm 9/23/24
  - Yes! [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 6:45pm 9/24/24
  - I agree with this sentiment [NT] - wrdomerson - 9:56pm 9/23/24
  - yessssssss! [NT] - oldirish - 9:47pm 9/23/24
- I like objective truth - wrdomerson - 9:09pm 9/23/24
  - Watch almost any pass play. Plenty of time one, two, three missed WRs. Many wide open TDs. [NT] - oldirish - 9:23pm 9/23/24
    - I'm not saying he's a fantastic passer. - wrdomerson - 9:48pm 9/23/24
      - It's relative. Angeli > Leonard relative to QBs we have. I love you're seeking for ways to paint - oldirish - 9:54pm 9/23/24
        What's your basis for Angeli > Leonard ? - Chrisb - 11:22pm 9/23/24
        It's possible I could be wrong. Data wise, See the QBR posts. I thought you saw them [LINK] - oldirish - 8:27am 9/24/24
        "There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics" - Mark Twain. - Clem - 7:21am 9/25/24
        
        I think you are dead wrong on Golson. He could rally a team big time. Came back on Stanford with a - THEISMANCARR - 7:28pm 9/24/24
        Don't forget... W/o Rees, Golson would've had 3 losses in 2012 - Final drive come from behind @ PUR - oldirish - 1:13pm 9/25/24
        That was a great final drive by Rees. He used that player that was Manti's buddy from Hawaii. Rees - THEISMANCARR - 6:12pm 9/25/24
        
        Seems like some good information here, I'll check it out when I have time to do it justice.. - Chrisb - 9:24am 9/24/24
        I don't think a limited 2 quarterback system is awful. Sometimes you have to break the other team's - THEISMANCARR - 7:32pm 9/24/24
        
        We are in agreement on many, many points and close/symantically different on a few others. [NT] - oldirish - 1:15pm 9/24/24
        I think this post is a perfect snapshot to encapsulate our entire coexistence together.. - Chrisb - 7:22pm 9/24/24
        Yes. That small amount of difference is how iron sharpens iron, IMO. That's how we learn and grow by - oldirish - 9:55pm 9/25/24
        
        ugggh… I just posted a detailed response and it failed to load!!! Will do again, but later. [NT] - oldirish - 2:40pm 9/25/24
        Dude, I hate it when that happens! [NT] - Chrisb - 4:31pm 9/25/24
        Re: Dude, I hate it when that happens! [NT] [LINK] - oldirish - 5:16pm 9/27/24
        
        Brutal. [NT] - oldirish - 9:19pm 9/25/24
        
        Excellent post, Chris. [NT] - Clem - 5:34am 9/25/24
        
        That's a great motto. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 7:35pm 9/24/24
        
        You do not consider the Sun Bowl a meaningful game ? Great performance [NT] - ColeyO - 1:07pm 9/24/24
        No, what were they playing for? Angeli looked good in that game for sure.. - Chrisb - 1:59pm 9/24/24
        He was auditioning to be a starter, and was under a lot of - ColeyO - 2:53pm 9/24/24
        I haven't and won't say that it wasn't damn good.. - Chrisb - 6:37pm 9/24/24
        We disagree then, I think it was very meaningful - ColeyO - 7:04pm 9/24/24
        
        * [NT] - ColeyO - 7:04pm 9/24/24
        
        The rub is RL isn't doing it in the game, Angeli is/has. So, is practice really that relevant from - oldirish - 7:01pm 9/24/24
        
        I felt at the time and do as well now. Given the known weakness of this schedule and that - oldirish - 3:39pm 9/24/24
        
        I think we all agree on the fact it’s a sad state of affairs that a $1M+ NIL QB in his 4th year of - WoodstockIrish - 10:08am 9/24/24
        
        Excellent post. 100% follow your logic and agree. - WoodstockIrish - 8:41am 9/24/24
        Thanks and agree. I do think Freeman is embarassed for whatever reason. If not, then he's not suited - oldirish - 1:20pm 9/24/24
        I have a lot of respect for Saban - WoodstockIrish - 5:55am 9/25/24
        I hate to admit it, but Saban is good. I 10000% agree with that take on the portal. He's right. [NT] - oldirish - 2:57pm 9/25/24
        
        You say you want to have a conversation of substance but you didn't respond to anything I said. - wrdomerson - 10:08pm 9/23/24
        1. I don't see the relevance of the botched FG. Optically, yes it looked bad and compounded ugly QB - oldirish - 10:21pm 9/23/24
        The FG has nothing to do with Leonard- - wrdomerson - 11:06pm 9/23/24
        see this post (link) for the point on confidence the team has in a QB. [LINK] - oldirish - 1:34pm 9/24/24
- We all like to be objective but our own bias makes it tough. I think you a pretty bright, Old, but - THEISMANCARR - 8:38pm 9/23/24
  - He was the best we had at the time and would have built a depth chart we are still fumbling through. - oldirish - 9:04pm 9/23/24
    - The thing of it is that Hartman had us playing well and if the coaches hadn't blown the Ohio State - THEISMANCARR - 7:46pm 9/24/24
      - Your recall on specific plays is uncanny. I don't know how you do it. [NT] - oldirish - 10:30pm 9/25/24
- I would be more on the objective truth, that doesn't need to kick dead horses side..but why is it - Chrisb - 8:25pm 9/23/24
  - You are objective most of the time and it's clear when you're on a bent. I use the ignorance label - oldirish - 9:16pm 9/23/24
    - Your MO, I'm objective, unless I don't agree with you. Then I'm 'on a bent' or in the ignorant crowd - Chrisb - 9:47pm 9/23/24
      - Funny... I always thought exactly the same thing about you. Being serious here. - oldirish - 10:25pm 9/23/24
- Win the NIU game and a lot of the MF criticism goes away, but they didn’t. The nature of fans. [NT] - LanceManion - 8:22pm 9/23/24
- You're not privy to many objective truths as it relates to the team. - iairishcheeks - 7:57pm 9/23/24
  - Pontius Pilate said: "What is truth?" We, on this board, are working feverishly on it. [NT] - Irishize - 8:16pm 9/23/24
  - objectively apparently neither is MF or he’s clearly in the willfully ignorant camp. [NT] - oldirish - 8:08pm 9/23/24
  - True, but there are those who try to ascertain truth, and those who live in Notre Disney World. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:03pm 9/23/24
    - Notre Disney World .. now that’s funny right there [NT] - IrishFan82 - 9:33pm 9/23/24
    - Crushed it. The act of seeking understanding is the way. [NT] - oldirish - 8:09pm 9/23/24
- "Does this dress make my butt look too big?" - BaronVonZemo - 7:56pm 9/23/24
  - If you have to ask... [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:00pm 9/23/24
    - Heh. Let me know how that turns out for you. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:04pm 9/23/24
      - Luckily, I don't get asked that question. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:31pm 9/23/24