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Seems like some good information here, I'll check it out when I have time to do it justice..

Author: Chrisb (15683 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:24 am on Sep 24, 2024

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one thing I'll say off initial glance is that the missing piece is seeing Angeli under live fire with meaningful game still in the balance.

I was ready to see that early in the game vs Miami but they stuck with Leonard and he came around...kinda. It would have been nice to see if Angeli could have come in and sparked things early on there.

I think the staff has a vision of where these two can be come playoff time and they think Leonard (as they envision him) gives the best chance to win in the playoffs. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong.

The problem is that their reluctance to give Angeli a look in stretches now, when Leonard is stinking it up, may be what keeps us from even making the playoff.

I firmly believe if Angeli played the second half vs NIU we win that game, but I don't think Angeli wins @A&M. So there is give and take and while I'm not a fan of a true dual QB system, these games go by too quick to wait so long for the QB to come around to playing competent level ball. I know they wanna build Leonard's confidence...but at what price?

"Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver." -BaronVonZemo

Replies to: "Seems like some good information here, I'll check it out when I have time to do it justice.."

Show of hands. We all love talking ND football. Who prefers discussing objective truths even if - oldirish - 7:36pm 9/23/24 (62) [View All]
- I like people saying what they want to say, but perhaps UHND needs a safe space forum for snowflakes [NT] - humbaba - 10:24pm 9/23/24
- I’ll be objective- please beat UL and win out - nothing would make me happier !!!! [NT] - murph92675 - 9:14pm 9/23/24
  - Yes! [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 6:45pm 9/24/24
  - I agree with this sentiment [NT] - wrdomerson - 9:56pm 9/23/24
  - yessssssss! [NT] - oldirish - 9:47pm 9/23/24
- I like objective truth - wrdomerson - 9:09pm 9/23/24
  - Watch almost any pass play. Plenty of time one, two, three missed WRs. Many wide open TDs. [NT] - oldirish - 9:23pm 9/23/24
    - I'm not saying he's a fantastic passer. - wrdomerson - 9:48pm 9/23/24
      - It's relative. Angeli > Leonard relative to QBs we have. I love you're seeking for ways to paint - oldirish - 9:54pm 9/23/24
        What's your basis for Angeli > Leonard ? - Chrisb - 11:22pm 9/23/24
        It's possible I could be wrong. Data wise, See the QBR posts. I thought you saw them [LINK] - oldirish - 8:27am 9/24/24
        "There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics" - Mark Twain. - Clem - 7:21am 9/25/24
        
        I think you are dead wrong on Golson. He could rally a team big time. Came back on Stanford with a - THEISMANCARR - 7:28pm 9/24/24
        Don't forget... W/o Rees, Golson would've had 3 losses in 2012 - Final drive come from behind @ PUR - oldirish - 1:13pm 9/25/24
        That was a great final drive by Rees. He used that player that was Manti's buddy from Hawaii. Rees - THEISMANCARR - 6:12pm 9/25/24
        
        Seems like some good information here, I'll check it out when I have time to do it justice.. - Chrisb - 9:24am 9/24/24
        I don't think a limited 2 quarterback system is awful. Sometimes you have to break the other team's - THEISMANCARR - 7:32pm 9/24/24
        
        We are in agreement on many, many points and close/symantically different on a few others. [NT] - oldirish - 1:15pm 9/24/24
        I think this post is a perfect snapshot to encapsulate our entire coexistence together.. - Chrisb - 7:22pm 9/24/24
        Yes. That small amount of difference is how iron sharpens iron, IMO. That's how we learn and grow by - oldirish - 9:55pm 9/25/24
        
        ugggh… I just posted a detailed response and it failed to load!!! Will do again, but later. [NT] - oldirish - 2:40pm 9/25/24
        Dude, I hate it when that happens! [NT] - Chrisb - 4:31pm 9/25/24
        Re: Dude, I hate it when that happens! [NT] [LINK] - oldirish - 5:16pm 9/27/24
        
        Brutal. [NT] - oldirish - 9:19pm 9/25/24
        
        Excellent post, Chris. [NT] - Clem - 5:34am 9/25/24
        
        That's a great motto. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 7:35pm 9/24/24
        
        You do not consider the Sun Bowl a meaningful game ? Great performance [NT] - ColeyO - 1:07pm 9/24/24
        No, what were they playing for? Angeli looked good in that game for sure.. - Chrisb - 1:59pm 9/24/24
        He was auditioning to be a starter, and was under a lot of - ColeyO - 2:53pm 9/24/24
        I haven't and won't say that it wasn't damn good.. - Chrisb - 6:37pm 9/24/24
        We disagree then, I think it was very meaningful - ColeyO - 7:04pm 9/24/24
        
        * [NT] - ColeyO - 7:04pm 9/24/24
        
        The rub is RL isn't doing it in the game, Angeli is/has. So, is practice really that relevant from - oldirish - 7:01pm 9/24/24
        
        I felt at the time and do as well now. Given the known weakness of this schedule and that - oldirish - 3:39pm 9/24/24
        
        I think we all agree on the fact it’s a sad state of affairs that a $1M+ NIL QB in his 4th year of - WoodstockIrish - 10:08am 9/24/24
        
        Excellent post. 100% follow your logic and agree. - WoodstockIrish - 8:41am 9/24/24
        Thanks and agree. I do think Freeman is embarassed for whatever reason. If not, then he's not suited - oldirish - 1:20pm 9/24/24
        I have a lot of respect for Saban - WoodstockIrish - 5:55am 9/25/24
        I hate to admit it, but Saban is good. I 10000% agree with that take on the portal. He's right. [NT] - oldirish - 2:57pm 9/25/24
        
        You say you want to have a conversation of substance but you didn't respond to anything I said. - wrdomerson - 10:08pm 9/23/24
        1. I don't see the relevance of the botched FG. Optically, yes it looked bad and compounded ugly QB - oldirish - 10:21pm 9/23/24
        The FG has nothing to do with Leonard- - wrdomerson - 11:06pm 9/23/24
        see this post (link) for the point on confidence the team has in a QB. [LINK] - oldirish - 1:34pm 9/24/24
- We all like to be objective but our own bias makes it tough. I think you a pretty bright, Old, but - THEISMANCARR - 8:38pm 9/23/24
  - He was the best we had at the time and would have built a depth chart we are still fumbling through. - oldirish - 9:04pm 9/23/24
    - The thing of it is that Hartman had us playing well and if the coaches hadn't blown the Ohio State - THEISMANCARR - 7:46pm 9/24/24
      - Your recall on specific plays is uncanny. I don't know how you do it. [NT] - oldirish - 10:30pm 9/25/24
- I would be more on the objective truth, that doesn't need to kick dead horses side..but why is it - Chrisb - 8:25pm 9/23/24
  - You are objective most of the time and it's clear when you're on a bent. I use the ignorance label - oldirish - 9:16pm 9/23/24
    - Your MO, I'm objective, unless I don't agree with you. Then I'm 'on a bent' or in the ignorant crowd - Chrisb - 9:47pm 9/23/24
      - Funny... I always thought exactly the same thing about you. Being serious here. - oldirish - 10:25pm 9/23/24
- Win the NIU game and a lot of the MF criticism goes away, but they didn’t. The nature of fans. [NT] - LanceManion - 8:22pm 9/23/24
- You're not privy to many objective truths as it relates to the team. - iairishcheeks - 7:57pm 9/23/24
  - Pontius Pilate said: "What is truth?" We, on this board, are working feverishly on it. [NT] - Irishize - 8:16pm 9/23/24
  - objectively apparently neither is MF or he’s clearly in the willfully ignorant camp. [NT] - oldirish - 8:08pm 9/23/24
  - True, but there are those who try to ascertain truth, and those who live in Notre Disney World. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:03pm 9/23/24
    - Notre Disney World .. now that’s funny right there [NT] - IrishFan82 - 9:33pm 9/23/24
    - Crushed it. The act of seeking understanding is the way. [NT] - oldirish - 8:09pm 9/23/24
- "Does this dress make my butt look too big?" - BaronVonZemo - 7:56pm 9/23/24
  - If you have to ask... [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:00pm 9/23/24
    - Heh. Let me know how that turns out for you. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:04pm 9/23/24
      - Luckily, I don't get asked that question. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:31pm 9/23/24