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This is a terrible recycled argument with no basis in reality. You can "conceive" what you want

Author: Turkish (1245 Posts - Joined: Oct 22, 2007)
Posted at 8:57 am on Oct 15, 2024
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But there is no way a 1-loss ND team misses the 12-team playoff with the P-5 schedule they play every year. The NIU loss would almost certainly have disqualified ND from consideration from earlier versions of the playoff, but not the 12 team version.

- No 1-loss P-5 team (ND counts) has ever finished worse that 7th in the CFP rankings. Maybe that precedent changes, but not dropping a 1-loss worse than 12.
- No 3-loss team has ever outranked a 1-loss P5 team in the CFP rankings. Again, it could happen, but not enough to drop a 1-loss ND team out of the playoff.
- The anti-ND bias/"conference circling the wagons" argument doesn't hold water, rationally or historically. ND has made the 4-team playoff twice when other teams at least had an argument, and would regularly get overseeded in BCS bowls prior to the CFP. Remember 2012? Ohio State was undefeated and didn't get to play in the championship game. Guess who did, ND.
- An 11-win ND team would have wins over SEC, ACC, and BIG teams, including 8 almost lock for bowl-eligibility teams. While they'll lack a "signature win" barring a TAMU run, they'll have a stronger SOR than all but a handful of teams by EOY.
- And last but not least, the possibility of a shitty SEC East, BIG West, or ACC Coastal team sneaking into their championship with a handful of losses, winning, and snaking an auto berth is officially over. With the giant new conferences, the 2 teams from each conference with the best record are automatically getting in. If the records are tied, then the higher ranked one is likely getting in. Remember 2009 when Alabama got to play in and win the NC without even playing in the SEC championship? Non-title game participants will make the playoffs, but there won't be enough ranked higher than ND to box the Irish out.

Is there a universe of outcomes where ND wins out and doesn't make the playoffs? The likelihood is so remote as to be in fact inconceivable to all but the most imaginative.


Replies to: "This is a terrible recycled argument with no basis in reality. You can "conceive" what you want"

  • ND’s best chance is for A&M to do damage in the SEC. It’s not inconceivable that a three loss team - irish93 - 7:41am 10/15/24 (27) [View All]
    • I just want A&M to do damage to LSU. [NT] - Curly1918 - 2:50pm 10/15/24
    • There is zero chance an 11-1 ND team is left out [NT] - MarkHarman - 12:50pm 10/15/24
      • Probably right. But the committee left out a 13-0 FSU last year [NT] - irish93 - 1:24pm 10/15/24
        • Of a FOUR team playoff [NT] - Turkish - 1:29pm 10/15/24
          • True. But it shows the committee does not have to rely on rankings. These are all hypotheticals but - irish93 - 1:36pm 10/15/24
            • ND is always going to get a little extra credit—it’s just $s. They are least likely to be left out. [NT] - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 4:59pm 10/15/24
    • Here we go again. . . Let’s hope they finish with only 1 loss before we worry about the playoffs. - irishfaninPA - 12:31pm 10/15/24
      • yep [NT] - D2 - 2:11pm 10/15/24
    • well, there is this to consider: - und67 - 11:07am 10/15/24
    • No, it wouldn’t be for other teams.It was an early trap game, bad,but not lethal alone. But everyone - BaronVonZemo - 9:07am 10/15/24
    • This is a terrible recycled argument with no basis in reality. You can "conceive" what you want - Turkish - 8:57am 10/15/24
      • ^^This^^ [NT] - Nigel Tufnel - 1:26pm 10/15/24
      • Yet there likely will be multiple 2 loss SEC and Big 10 teams that could get in ahead of us - WoodstockIrish - 10:36am 10/15/24
        • There will not be 12 other teams that get in before a 1-loss ND, and nobody is ignoring NIU - Turkish - 12:39pm 10/15/24
    • The only 3 loss team that gets in before a 1 loss ND is a 3 loss Conf Champ. [NT] - Chrisb - 8:55am 10/15/24
      • Do you agree however that more than one 2-loss SEC or Big 10 teams could get in before us? - WoodstockIrish - 10:40am 10/15/24
        • Yeah I do agree about some 2 loss teams, just no 3 loss teams.. - Chrisb - 2:42pm 10/15/24
      • So you’re saying it isn’t inconceivable. So glad you chimed in. [NT] - jimbasil - 9:07am 10/15/24
        • It's inconceivable that a 1-loss ND team ranks worse than 12th and misses playoff. [NT] - Turkish - 9:14am 10/15/24
          • But we wouldn't have to rank 12th... - Chrisb - 9:24am 10/15/24
            • The megaconferences de-risked this outcome. Top 2 teams from ACC/BIG/SEC/Big12 make Champ Game - Turkish - 9:39am 10/15/24
        • It isn’t inconceivable that a 5 loss team gets in before an undefeated #1 ranked ND... - Chrisb - 9:12am 10/15/24
          • Glad you’re clearing up what 93 posted because he was very clear in his post. - jimbasil - 11:12am 10/15/24
            • Actually it wasn't...he didn't say anything about Conf Champs. - Chrisb - 2:40pm 10/15/24
              • oh yeah, gonna just piss off because you’re the big bully on the football board. [NT] - jimbasil - 2:56pm 10/15/24
                • No, just because you are a babbling idiot. [NT] - Chrisb - 6:28pm 10/15/24
                  • Yeah, tough guy. [NT] - jimbasil - 11:09pm 10/15/24
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