I don't think they said 'won't count against them'...but that they won't be unduly punished

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I don't think they said 'won't count against them'...but that they won't be unduly punished

Author: Chrisb (16346 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:51 am on Nov 4, 2024

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for losing in Conference Championships, which I agree with.

But to say losing "any game" Conf Championship, won't affect their seeding is flat out crazy. There are already 5 auto qualifiers in the 12 team field and if losing in Conf Championship has zero impact you might as well make that 9 auto qualifiers and just say both teams who make it to the Conf Championship are in.

Sorry, but I think from a reasonable perspective, 5 guaranteed teams in with 4 of them getting byes and the highest ND can ever be even if they are 12-0 and ranked #1 by everyone is 5th seed, shows plenty of favor towards the conferences.

Every team who doesn't auto qualify should be looked at under the same lense with no special consideration for lovers of Conference Championship games. Not guaranteed in, not guaranteed out, not guaranteed a specific seed, but assessed as an at large like every other non Conf Champ.

"Notre Dame by a million..Go Irish!" -Shane Gillis

Replies to: "I don't think they said 'won't count against them'...but that they won't be unduly punished"

If a top ten team loses a close conference championship game to another top 10 team - ndphysics - 5:11am 11/4/24 (43) [View All]
- Any "Big 4" team in their respective championship games with < 3 losses are likely in [NT] - D2 - 1:08pm 11/4/24
  - It's really the Big 2 (SEC / Big10). 2 loss ACC and Big12 teams will be wannabees - SteveM - 1:28pm 11/4/24
    - Don't agree with lots of possibilities - D2 - 2:08pm 11/4/24
      - You’re not allowed to talk about that on here - WoodstockIrish - 3:56pm 11/4/24
        That's not realism. I've presented the data going back 3 decades that an 11-1 ND is in - Turkish - 4:38pm 11/4/24
        How many 12 teams playoff with the current conferences existed the past 3 decades? - D2 - 12:36pm 11/5/24
        The Rankings Methodology has not changed. Other issues with your arguments - Turkish - 6:53pm 11/5/24
        We do agree on your last point which is what matters - D2 - 11:47pm 11/5/24
        
        While I respect your information and I personally think we're in if we go 11-1, I also think - Chrisb - 5:00pm 11/4/24
        It's reasonable to discuss especially if the new playoff format changes the ranking methodology - Turkish - 5:20pm 11/4/24
      - You’re not allowed to talk about that on here - WoodstockIrish - 3:56pm 11/4/24
        This whole post is about conjecture, you know, a theory or unproven idea. - bill rekles - 5:00pm 11/4/24
        On that we agree! Win out and we have a 60/40 chance of making CFP 12 - WoodstockIrish - 6:52pm 11/4/24
        Maybe not, but ESPN analytics thingy says we are 99% in if we win out. [NT] - Chrisb - 7:46pm 11/4/24
        
        That's a good guesstimate. [NT] - SteveM - 7:19pm 11/4/24
      - I mentioned earlier an Elite cabal of teams with solid signatiture win histories... - SteveM - 2:35pm 11/4/24
- Thanks again Jack. [NT] - Hibakusha - 11:11am 11/4/24
- I can see all these conference teams in (worst case scenario for ND) - MarkHarman - 8:20am 11/4/24
  - No way Army selected above Boise State. [NT] - SteveM - 10:15am 11/4/24
    - Especially in that scenario. If ND is 11-1 then Army is no longer undefeated [NT] - Irish_Demon - 10:25am 11/4/24
      - Undefeated Army has faced only 1 opponent with a winning record, a 5-3 Lehigh that lost to Bucknell [NT] - SteveM - 10:58am 11/4/24
  - SEC could get 5 - bobdrake - 9:04am 11/4/24
- It shouldn't knock them out of the playoff, should only affect where they are seeded. [NT] - Chrisb - 7:44am 11/4/24
- It won’t, there could be 2-3 2 loss teams that make it in - WoodstockIrish - 6:38am 11/4/24
- The committee already said championship losses won't count again teams. - AlbanyIRISH - 6:06am 11/4/24
  - so losing in the conf champ game is ok, but not playing in one should be punished. - und67 - 8:56am 11/4/24
    - ^^^^absolutely this^^^^ - Nigel Tufnel - 9:32am 11/4/24
  - I don't think they said 'won't count against them'...but that they won't be unduly punished - Chrisb - 8:51am 11/4/24
  - At some point, the conference structure will need to go away if this CFP is to work - LanceManion - 8:23am 11/4/24
    - There is no league with conferences still in place as u suggest - ndphysics - 8:39am 11/4/24
      - Yep. If I were ACC/BIG12/others, I'd create a competing FB league with its own championship - LanceManion - 9:00am 11/4/24
  - Yes we are. I still think we Aren’t guaranteed anything winning out. Depends on other factors [NT] - ndphysics - 7:46am 11/4/24
  - Rightfully so - WoodstockIrish - 6:40am 11/4/24
    - There are literally ZERO SEC teams that have played 6-7 ranked teams.. [LINK] - Chrisb - 8:37am 11/4/24
      - Did I say “played?”…let me go check, no - WoodstockIrish - 12:29pm 11/4/24
        This a conversation about current playoff ranking - Chrisb - 1:54pm 11/4/24
        It’s odd here how you are allowed to talk about 11-1 ND - WoodstockIrish - 4:00pm 11/4/24
        Re: It’s odd here how you are allowed to talk about 11-1 ND - Chrisb - 4:28pm 11/4/24
        Whatever…you know everything…I give up [NT] - WoodstockIrish - 6:59pm 11/4/24
        LOL...how am I acting like I know everything any more than you are? - Chrisb - 7:44pm 11/4/24
        Based on the other thread we aren’t that far off - WoodstockIrish - 9:07pm 11/4/24
        Agree fully...also not a fan of how dismissive some are regarding the loss of Morrison - Chrisb - 12:40pm 11/5/24
        Morrison is a huge loss. Plus our depth is not so deep now. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 2:43pm 11/5/24