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1. Freeman > Kelly 2. The '21 team didn't make the CFP and BK bounced before selection 3. See #1

Author: Chrisb (16401 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 1:55 pm on Dec 29, 2024
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The comparison between Marcus Freeman and Brian Kelly is so comically lopsided in Freeman's favor at this point, it takes a high level troll or legitimate dumbass to take an opposing stance.

But let's compare!

•BK has been a HC at the FBS level for 22 seasons, while MF has only been a HC for 3 seasons all at FBS level
•During those 22 seasons, BK has just 2 post-season wins vs ranked opponents (#23 LSU in '14 and #17 LSU in '17), while in only 3 seasons MF has 3 post-season wins vs ranked opponents (#19 South Carolina in '22, #19 Oregon St in '23, and #8 Indiana in '24)
•During those 22 seasons, BK is 0-3 in CFP/NC level games with an average margin of defeat by 24 points, while MF is 1-0 in CFP/NC level games with a 10 point win
•During those 22 seasons, BK is 2-5 vs ranked opponents in the post-season and 0-4 vs Top 10 opponents in the post-season with an average margin of defeat by 22 points, while in only 3 seasons MF is 3-1 vs ranked opponents in the post-season and 1-1 vs Top 10 opponents in the post-season with the loss by only 2 points in his first game ever walking a sideline as a HC

So that's how they stack up in just the post-season, but what about overall?

Vs all ranked opponents BK is: 0-1 at CMU, 9-3 at Cincy (0-2 vs Top 10), 23-23 at ND (4-13 vs Top 10), and 4-8 at LSU (3-4 vs Top 10)

Vs all ranked opponents MF is 12-5 at ND (3-4 vs Top 10)

But as we all know rankings aren't infallible..teams can move up or down after you play them, etc, etc..

The real tried and true indicator of HC success that stands the test of time is Winning Percentage.

Winning Percentage says it all. Every HC who won a NC at Notre Dame had a Winning Percentage over .760 while at Notre Dame.

During BK's 12 seasons at Notre Dame, he had a considerably high Winning Percentage at three different and distinct points in time, yet never approached, let alone crossed the .760 threshold.

These are the three peaks in Winning Percentage that BK hit in his 12 seasons at ND:
•(.737) After the 12-0 regular season in '12 (prior to the NCG loss) BK improved his Winning Percentage at ND to .737
•(.741) Following a disappointing 9-4 season in '13, BK got off to a 6-0 start in '14, improving his Winning Percentage at ND to a personal best of .741 (prior to the FSU loss and losing 5 of the last 6 regular season games)
•(.739) After a disastrous 4-8 season in '16 that dropped his Winning Percentage to .656, BK spent the next five seasons digging himself out of that hole, finally culminating after an 11-1 regular season in '21 (prior to the LSU departure) with his overall Winning Percentage at ND of .739

In stark comparison MF currently has a Winning Percentage of .775 at ND, which is a level no one has sniffed since Lou Holtz. Even more impressively, since MF's 0-3 start at ND he has gone 31-6 for a Winning Percentage of .838 over the last 37 games.

If you Super cherry pick for BK and throw out his first 116 games at ND (9 whole seasons), he was 32-5 in his last 37 games at ND from '19-'21 before departing for LSU.


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Replies to: "1. Freeman > Kelly 2. The '21 team didn't make the CFP and BK bounced before selection 3. See #1"

  • Kelly got to this level 4 times. - koreasam - 4:35pm 12/28/24 (13) [View All]
    • 1. Freeman > Kelly 2. The '21 team didn't make the CFP and BK bounced before selection 3. See #1 - Chrisb - 1:55pm 12/29/24
    • 49 - 35 [NT] - murph78 - 8:39pm 12/28/24
    • No. He never won a playoff game. This new CFP level is beyond what he ever did. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 8:06pm 12/28/24
      • How do you figure? - WoodstockIrish - 10:52am 12/29/24
        • In 22 years as a HC at the FBS level, BK has never beaten a Top 10 ranked team in the post-season.. - Chrisb - 2:28pm 12/29/24
          • Once we make the final 2 teams come back and chat… - WoodstockIrish - 10:57pm 12/29/24
            • What is there to chat about? MF has already "won" a post-season game vs a Top 10 team, BK never has - Chrisb - 12:17am 12/30/24
              • We disagree - WoodstockIrish - 10:42am 12/30/24
                • You disagree with facts..because Kelly has the bigger participation trophy? - Chrisb - 12:35pm 12/30/24
      • If he were still here in this situtation, he'd be looking for a NFL position [NT] - ndunabomber - 8:25pm 12/28/24
        • We would not be in this position if he were still here [NT] - bill rekles - 9:23pm 12/28/24
    • We simply have to beat GA, it's the most important game in decades, IMO. - iairishcheeks - 4:40pm 12/28/24
      • Not sure change is the right word - WoodstockIrish - 7:11pm 12/28/24
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