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Several things

Author: ndunabomber (6487 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 10:21 am on Jul 16, 2025
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Most of them have already been mentioned, but I'll summarize things.

1) Team health on the defense. We had a large number of injured players coming into this game, especially on the defensive line. While some folks claimed that Howard Cross was about 85%, that was being overly generous. He was more like at about 2/3rd strength, but still played his heart out.

Rylie Mills, Jordan Bothelo, Boubacar Traore, etc., were all out, and Gabe Rubio wasn't at full strength either. I love Donovan Hinish for his "never say die" attitude, and his hard work, but he's an undersized 3 technique tackle who was filling in at the nose tackle position all too often.

While our guys were holding their own against that excellent tOSU offense, there was no depth behind them to step in for that championship game. You won't be able to hang with the best offense in the nation for a whole game if you don't have a lot of a quality depth to sub in.


2) Team health on the offense. Jeremiyah Love was hobbled, and the offensive line was a patchwork of able bodies. I give Coach Rudolph a ton of credit here. He was able to plug in different people into different spots along the offensive line as our guys were hobbled with injuries.

Also, after that first series, Riley Leonard looked gimpy after having run the ball so many times.

3) No consistent vertical passing game. This was a problem throughout the year, where Leonard was much more of a dink 'n dunk thrower, especially in the early part of the season. it wasn't until later on that his medium range throws became much better, which was why we were able to get as far as we did. In terms of receivers, we had decent, but not great, receivers.

Beaux Collins was decent, but didn't really put up WR1 type numbers. Jaden Greathouse really stepped up his game in the 2nd half of the season, and especially in the playoffs, to emerge as the WR1. Jordan Faison was decent as a WR2 / WR3. None of these guys were in the same category as tOSU's WR corps.

4) Most importantly, tOSU's talent level, depth, and team health were better than ours. Throughout a 16 game season, you need that depth to keep your guys rested and healthy.


The bottom line, though, is that even if we were healthy, tOSU would still have won that game 3 out of 4 times. They were simply that much better than everyone else in the playoffs.


Replies to: "Several things"

  • Hypothetical: what would it have taken for ND to beat OSU in the NC? - iairishcheeks - 12:47am 7/16/25 (30) [View All]
    • Pound the run, control the clock, keep OSU O off the field - KWIRISH - 11:49pm 7/16/25
    • Re: Hypothetical: what would it have taken for ND to beat OSU in the NC? - IrishChristopher - 11:07pm 7/16/25
    • A more balanced offense. A much better passing attack. OSUs DBs were on ice skates but we waited too - oldirish - 9:24pm 7/16/25
    • First forced punt before the 4th quarter - Turkish - 6:42pm 7/16/25
    • Truth be told, they've had ND's number for a long time - humbaba - 2:13pm 7/16/25
      • If we would have played them in 1988 through 1993 we would have beaten them every year. Our talent - THEISMANCARR - 6:18pm 7/16/25
        • For sure! But that was 36 years ago! Hoping for another shot at them in the playoffs! [NT] - irishslovak - 12:16am 7/17/25
      • The programs were on opposite trajectories in 1995 and 1996. - jakers - 5:07pm 7/16/25
      • Lou 1988-1993 would have beaten them. - AlbanyIRISH - 3:23pm 7/16/25
      • They are ND's kryptonite! Hate to say it! You are correct! [NT] - irishslovak - 2:55pm 7/16/25
    • Simple: Start throwing the ball sooner. Their DB's were their achilles heal and we didn't start - BaronVonZemo - 1:52pm 7/16/25
      • Until we get some WRs who can run past their DBs and open up the field, OSU isn't afraid - Rocketman84 - 6:28pm 7/16/25
    • If botn teams played their normal games, they were going to beat us because of their speed at the - THEISMANCARR - 12:42pm 7/16/25
    • Corners who could play physical press and still cover and a healthy O.L. - jakers - 11:00am 7/16/25
      • I think people underestimate how tired the team was at that point in the season - wrdomerson - 11:18am 7/16/25
        • OSU wasn't tired too? - AlbanyIRISH - 3:25pm 7/16/25
          • Did you see the injury reports for the two teams? - wrdomerson - 5:01pm 7/17/25
          • They had far, far fewer injuries, not greater depth. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 11:25pm 7/16/25
    • More talent. I read that OSU had 18 5-stars, ND had 1. Note sure if exactly correct [NT] - irishone - 10:35am 7/16/25
      • I mean that would be the obvious one, but also more a dream than reality - Rocketman84 - 12:35pm 7/16/25
    • Several things - ndunabomber - 10:21am 7/16/25
      • We would have stolen it if we won. But as Herb Brooks said, one game. Not 3 out of 4 or 9 out of 10 - Frank L - 10:45am 7/16/25
    • Lack of a vertical passing game, among others. [NT] - faircatchcorby - 9:35am 7/16/25
      • This was the glaring issue. And we waited to late to try it. [NT] - oldirish - 9:26pm 7/16/25
    • A great QB. - AlbanyIRISH - 6:23am 7/16/25
    • Honestly, be healthy which led to abysmal running game and poor 3rd down efficiency [NT] - Rocketman84 - 6:12am 7/16/25
      • This. The difference in the first drive in the second third and fourth was - Quest4twelve - 7:11am 7/16/25
        • Fair point. Given the comeback maybe less than we all thought. Those are critical points though. [NT] - Frank L - 10:40am 7/16/25
    • One point more [NT] - LanceManion - 5:53am 7/16/25
    • Re: Hypothetical: what would it have taken for ND to beat OSU in the NC? - nddad98 - 1:04am 7/16/25
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