I will never forgive Kelly for making Dayne Crist run all of those designed QB runs in a spread-option manner, and not letting him use that strong arm to make use of a downfield passing game. We had Michael Floyd and TJ Jones as the top two receivers, along with Kyle Rudolph and Tyler Eifert as TE's, and that corps was all but perfect for a downfield passing attack.
In Kiel's case, it was more of a series of injuries that led to a terrible addiction to painkillers. He had a very fine year in 2014, but all of those injuries took their toll to the point where he couldn't get through normal day activities without the painkillers.
To his credit, he went to rehab, got clean, and is living a decent life as a sales rep for Riddell.
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- Interesting, 4 of the top 25 highest rated ND recruits are in the 2026 class, according to 247Sports [LINK]
- FoolBear - 11:24am 10/21/25
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- Sam Young was one Big Muchacho. [NT]
- NDblues - 11:46am 10/21/25
- If memory serves, when Charlie Weis' wife met Sam Young as a recruit she made a comment that - FoolBear - 1:44pm 10/21/25
- Wasn’t Sam Young the guy that knocked on Charlie’s door at 6am asking him how to be a leader? [NT] - jray - 10:13pm 10/21/25
- Yeah, and played like a big cream puff!! [NT]
- NEPA Irish - 6:49pm 10/21/25
- First ever TRUE FR starter on the OL and made AA team, guy was a helluva pass protector. - Rocketman84 - 9:24pm 10/21/25
- And started 21 games in the NFL - ndunabomber - 8:07am 10/22/25
- First ever TRUE FR starter on the OL and made AA team, guy was a helluva pass protector. - Rocketman84 - 9:24pm 10/21/25
- If memory serves, when Charlie Weis' wife met Sam Young as a recruit she made a comment that - FoolBear - 1:44pm 10/21/25
- Since 2000? Clausen was #1, Jaylon was #2, Te'o was #3 then Sam Young and Floyd were top 10 - Rocketman84 - 11:28am 10/21/25
- Some interesting names on that list: Dayne Crist #9, Gunner Kiel #12 some big QB misses there!!!! - FoolBear - 1:31pm 10/21/25
- Want a few more QB misses? Jurko, Wimbush, Buchner. More than our fair share of bad luck at QB [NT]
- NDQuebec - 6:40pm 10/21/25
- Jurko would've been fine if he stayed at ND [NT]
- Rocketman84 - 9:09pm 10/21/25
- He just needed to stay healthy - ndunabomber - 9:14pm 10/21/25
- Yea, he had everything needed to be successful until the injury bug messed with his head [NT] - Rocketman84 - 3:16pm 10/22/25
- He just needed to stay healthy - ndunabomber - 9:14pm 10/21/25
- Jurko would've been fine if he stayed at ND [NT]
- Rocketman84 - 9:09pm 10/21/25
- By misses, I hope you don't mean busts. I know they didn't have the ND careers we all hoped for, yet - Irish_Demon - 2:26pm 10/21/25
- I remember Crist going to KU and that did not work at all. [NT]
- FoolBear - 4:18pm 10/21/25
- He was no where near the QB at Kansas that he was even at ND - Irish_Demon - 4:35pm 10/21/25
- Unfortunately, it is fair to call Crist a bust. - jakers - 4:16pm 10/21/25
- I get it. But I don't agree with all of that. - Irish_Demon - 5:04pm 10/21/25
- Exactly - ndunabomber - 3:37pm 10/21/25
- I remember Crist going to KU and that did not work at all. [NT]
- FoolBear - 4:18pm 10/21/25
- Want a few more QB misses? Jurko, Wimbush, Buchner. More than our fair share of bad luck at QB [NT]
- NDQuebec - 6:40pm 10/21/25
- Some interesting names on that list: Dayne Crist #9, Gunner Kiel #12 some big QB misses there!!!! - FoolBear - 1:31pm 10/21/25
- Sam Young was one Big Muchacho. [NT]
- NDblues - 11:46am 10/21/25