he wasn't learning to be a HC, he already knew that part which gave him the flexibility to do that
Marcus Freeman was hired with zero experience and is in year 4 of learning to be a HC...and he's doing a great job at that, but these two situations are still not the same
Who knows how bad it might have looked if Holtz's first 4 years ever coaching were on the Big stage at ND, meanwhile in Freeman's first 4 full seasons he has almost an .800 win percentage
Things should be judged in context
Replies to: "Holtz already had 17 years of College HC experience before he came to ND..."
- Devil's Advocate: Why Miami and Texas should be ranked over the Irish - MarkHarman - 8:29am 11/30/25
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- Jesus H Christ - would you stop already?! - Nigel Tufnel - 1:08pm 11/30/25
- Amen, brother. [NT] - Clem - 1:23pm 11/30/25
- Eye test man, eye test. Remember how everyone used to talk about that? I think we are one of the - THEISMANCARR - 11:15am 11/30/25
- There is "game control" data which the committee reportedly - jrdjr84 - 11:50am 11/30/25
- Yeah, they took a NC from us in 93 on eye test...in '89 it was H2H, 4 short years later not so much [NT] - Chrisb - 11:33am 11/30/25
- Re: Devil's Advocate: Why Miami and Texas should be ranked over the Irish - IrishOkie - 8:51am 11/30/25
- But, there’s a reason Notre Dame was the biggest Bowl draw before playoffs existed. - conorlarkin - 9:31am 11/30/25
- announcers said it very well last night. ND is a top 12 team but the rules of the playoffs might - WestCoastIrishFan - 8:33am 11/30/25
- Playoff rules aren't the problem. Losing to Miami and A&M is. No one else to blame. [NT]
- ELP - 9:16am 11/30/25
- Stop! No one else in the country had a more difficult first two games... - Chrisb - 10:41am 11/30/25
- You stop. Either or both of those games were more than winnable. Especially A&M. - ELP - 10:51am 11/30/25
- Both lost on the last play of the game + A&M got away with - KWIRISH - 11:11am 11/30/25
- Doesn't change the validity of what I said. There are 12 CFP teams, but only about 3 - Chrisb - 11:09am 11/30/25
- You stop. Either or both of those games were more than winnable. Especially A&M. - ELP - 10:51am 11/30/25
- yep, i’ve been asking for months, what the hell went on in fall camp for ND to look so - WestCoastIrishFan - 9:30am 11/30/25
- Part of it has to do with expectations - Chrisb - 11:04am 11/30/25
- I'm more concerned about the loss to A&M. The defense looked horrendous. MF is a a DC by trait. I - WestCoastIrishFan - 11:13am 11/30/25
- I agree the D looked like trash, but I thought they looked lost not soft - Chrisb - 11:28am 11/30/25
- I disagree. One reason why Holtz was successful was because he would take control of a position or - WestCoastIrishFan - 11:41am 11/30/25
- Holtz already had 17 years of College HC experience before he came to ND... - Chrisb - 12:10pm 11/30/25
- I disagree. One reason why Holtz was successful was because he would take control of a position or - WestCoastIrishFan - 11:41am 11/30/25
- I agree the D looked like trash, but I thought they looked lost not soft - Chrisb - 11:28am 11/30/25
- I'm more concerned about the loss to A&M. The defense looked horrendous. MF is a a DC by trait. I - WestCoastIrishFan - 11:13am 11/30/25
- Part of it has to do with expectations - Chrisb - 11:04am 11/30/25
- Stop! No one else in the country had a more difficult first two games... - Chrisb - 10:41am 11/30/25
- The announcers are paid by espn. Who hates ND. - Hensou - 8:43am 11/30/25
- Stop it. Everybody hates ND. [NT]
- whatsamataU - 8:55am 11/30/25
- Half the country does. The other half loves them. [NT]
- Hensou - 9:15am 11/30/25
- ND is like Trump. Half love ND. Half hate ND. Fandom is divided along geographic and religious - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 9:32am 11/30/25
- Half the country does. The other half loves them. [NT]
- Hensou - 9:15am 11/30/25
- Their job is to generate interest. It was a boring game. ESPN (Disney) probably does hate ND - LanceManion - 8:49am 11/30/25
- Stop it. Everybody hates ND. [NT]
- whatsamataU - 8:55am 11/30/25
- Playoff rules aren't the problem. Losing to Miami and A&M is. No one else to blame. [NT]
- ELP - 9:16am 11/30/25
- Jesus H Christ - would you stop already?! - Nigel Tufnel - 1:08pm 11/30/25