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Re: If they took an intentional safety, that was incredibly stupid

Author: admiraltact (84 Posts - Joined: Feb 27, 2018)
Posted at 11:31 am on Dec 15, 2025
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Up 8 points and starting near their own 40, Vero Beach intentionally ran backward on successive plays to burn clock while eliminating offensive execution risk in heavy rain. Rather than expose the ball to exchanges, piles, or an iffy-at-best punt operation, they deliberately engineered a 4th-and-long situation and took a timed safety with 12 seconds remaining.

That sequence eliminated all offensive snaps, avoided punt risk in poor conditions, and forced Lake Mary to win on the least probable sequence in high-school football. Crucially, it reflected the game context: heavy rain was significantly degrading passing, and Vero Beach’s had already intercepted Grubbs three times. The staff effectively bet that, under those conditions, Lake Mary wouldn’t even reach a spot where Grubbs could credibly throw into the end zone — let alone that a high-school receiver would secure a tipped Hail Mary, immediately recognize the situation, execute a clean lateral to someone who could fight through the final yardage, and then go on to convert the PAT in driving rain. That's not uninformed, that's taking the house side of a 7-way parlay.

The outcome was extraordinary, but the decision-making process — prioritizing turnover avoidance and forcing a low-probability terminal play against a quarterback they had already repeatedly beaten — was defensible given the weather and game context. Calling it “incredibly stupid” is purely outcome-driven and ignores the actual risk tradeoffs the staff was managing in real time.


Replies to: "Re: If they took an intentional safety, that was incredibly stupid"

  • Notre Dame Signee Noah Grubbs Wins Florida State Title on Last-Second Hail Mary [NT] [LINK] - UHND - 6:52am 12/14/25 (14) [View All]
    • The Lake Mary Hail Mary [NT] - MarkHarman - 7:42pm 12/14/25
    • The other team had a penalty that made them kick from the 20 - NDWisconsin - 11:40am 12/14/25
      • That’s sort of true. It seems the “penalty” was intentional. - Kalc - 12:43pm 12/14/25
        • I forgot that after a safety there is a kick off from the 20. - NDWisconsin - 4:04pm 12/14/25
        • If they took an intentional safety, that was incredibly stupid - McIrish - 2:06pm 12/14/25
          • Re: If they took an intentional safety, that was incredibly stupid - admiraltact - 11:31am 12/15/25
            • How did that work out for them? - McIrish - 11:53am 12/15/25
              • Put another way - admiraltact - 12:22pm 12/15/25
                • Taking a knee three times is no more risky than taking the snap and running backwards three times. - McIrish - 12:40pm 12/15/25
                  • Re: Taking a knee three times is no more risky than taking the snap and running backwards three times. - admiraltact - 5:31pm 12/15/25
              • It worked out terribly — but that doesn’t automatically make the decision irrational. - admiraltact - 12:16pm 12/15/25
          • It’s High School [NT] - holybull101 - 4:28pm 12/14/25
            • Still mind-numbing dumb. - McIrish - 4:57pm 12/14/25
    • Special [NT] - DonMiller - 10:30am 12/14/25

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