AND the Dem COVID lockdowns and vaccine mandates are still in the back of the voters minds
Link: https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-supreme-court-reinstates-all-employees-fired-being-unvaccinated-orders-backpay
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from MIT researchers who couldn't have been more emphatic in their insistence that masks be used in schools, nursing homes and other indoor facilities, along with ventilation improvements...in fact those researchers noted value from ALL types of masks, from the least (cloth masks) to the best (N95 masks) while denoting how long each would provide a measure of transmission protection.
Why a physician like Baron insists on repeatedly going against sound medical judgement is a mystery, but thankfully it's not a trait found very often in that field.
but in PA (and prior to removing the masking restrictions) you had to wear a mask to enter a restaurant but once you sit down, you don’t need them. You can sit there all night talking with your friends but as long as there are drinks and food on the table, you don’t have to have them on. This makes no sense. I also don’t recall your thoughts on Newsome and Pelosi. They wanted everyone else locked down but were seen multiple times out and about unmasked. Talk about do as I say and not as I do.
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Don’t stop or prevent the spread. You didn’t answer my question about the stupid rules that make no sense, they just make people feel good. I’m not anti vax or mask, but it should be personal choice and not forced on people.
as I've said multiple times, our ICU Doc reports only unvaxed patients are in there. As for masks, the best ones (N95/KN95) certainly work well for medical personnel who are in high risk environments for extended periods of time...for everyone else, it is wise to limit time in public indoor places and wear a good mask...right now, the latest COVID mutation is so transmissible, the odds of getting infected are pretty high...but fortunately, if you're vaccinated and boosted, you're in good shape...btw, I'm not aware of any mask mandates right now, are you?
Hopefully by now we've all learned that when a pathogen's severity and transmissibility are high, we need to use all the tools available to protect ourselves AND OTHERS by getting vaccinated when they are approved and available, as well as masks in indoor situations that cannot be avoided, while also limiting the time spent there...every bit helps...there are no awards for getting infected and dying, or causing others to suffer.
Note that the Supreme Court back in 1905 allowed I believe Massachusetts, to mandate Smallpox vaccinations, so if the threat to public health is serious enough, similar mandates could be approved in the future.
And why might the rules for mandate be different?
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remind everyone that the very document he used to erroneously support his contention said exactly the opposite...you must remember that occurrence, Ned...the "MIT Report" that gave different 'Safe Exposure Times" for each grade of mask...and none of them were anywhere near ZERO...if you'd like to see it again, just ask.
What people do or don't do with such knowledge is up to them, but the facts remain...btw, I've also posted a voluminous study from Stanford involving 320,000 subjects in Bangladesh using simple Surgical Masks, which I'm sure were not 'well fitted' for all users...yet there was a demonstrable reduction in transmission of COVID.
The entire medical profession (Baron excepted) acknowledges that masks "Mitigate" (i.e. reduce) COVID transmission...that's a good thing, and so easy to do...so please open your eyes and ears to facts and not posturing political statements on this issue...in most people's lifetimes the need for such devices will be required again.
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"If you're going to follow the science, science is going to tell you there isn't any danger RIGHT NOW..." (emphasis mine)...yet, COVID deaths are continuing at a rate of ~150,000/yr....~5x the rate of Seasonal Flu deaths, so saying there isn't 'Any' danger is not correct...but, the actual rate was much higher when vaccination mandates were initiated and that's the crux of the issue here...at the time it was a wise decision.
Front line workers, like Police and Firefighters are CRITICAL resources and it is negligence on the part of government to not do all it can to ensure they are available...==> Vaccine Mandates...our Military "Mandates" vaccinations to ensure that personnel are available to protect the country...makes sense for vital City employees as well...I hope this ruling gets appealed, although if there's room on the city rolls for some to return after the crisis is indeed over, I'd favor that, but no back pay...those people made a poor decision.
Also, while visiting with our ICU Doc this weekend I can tell you that 98% - 100% of their ICU patients are 'Unvaccinated'...right now...as has been the case since vaccines and boosters became available...
Your 'Herd Mentality' approach to COVID is nonsensical...btw, didn't I read that you got vaccinated, or am I mistaken?
At 75 but very healthy I don’t fear the vaccine and I would like a less severe case of COVID this winter. I always get the flu vaccine for the same reason. But I respect other folks’ “concerns” and see no reason whatsoever to extort someone agsinst their will. I am voting against everyone who supported mandates and lockdowns.
be available and on duty during a crisis...like COVID...especially like a year ago in NYC when Omicron was literally raging. Without vaccination, those key people could be lost or incapacitated for very long periods, thus putting the city's residents in more danger. That was no time for 'political posturing' over a proven safe vaccine...IMO it was irresponsible to their sworn duty to protect and serve citizens for Police and Fire personnel (and others) to refuse vaccination w/o a genuine - and very rare - medical reason...it's their JOB...and just like in the military, they need to roll up their sleeves...it's an indictment against them that there had to be a mandate...they should have voluntarily gotten vaccinated, en masse.
From your personal experience, you must also realize that even very fit people (e.g. Tri-Athletes) can die from COVID if they aren't vaccinated...so why anyone would pass up a proven vaccine is beyond me.
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Train of thought.
Original Point: Vaccine Mandates are unconstitutional and pointless, because the vaccines don't prevent transmission. Therefore, each individual should make their own decisions on the need to take this recommended vaccine. (Added by original poster: Hahaha, Tyrone!)
Tyrone: Here are some links where experts recommend the vaccine, which means that you're wrong.
He's an imbecile.
because they MUST be ready to protect this country at a moment's notice and not be incapacitated by a virus that has a vaccine available...I see Mayor Adams taking the same approach with his critical resources for the protection of NYC citizens...such a decision (vax or not) should not be an individual choice when so many people are dependent on so few for their safety.
While hospitals are no longer overwhelmed, in the winter of 2021/2022 when the mandates were implemented, it was a different story, so it is wrong to judge the decision by today's circumstances...
that's definitely using a 'strawman'.
As I've said elsewhere, unlike private citizens, it is the sworn duty of Police and Firefighters to maintain readiness to serve...not getting vaccinated is contrary to that oath. Remember, this mandate started a year ago when the biggest surge in COVID cases was forecasted (see link) and yet many members refused to comply...they deserved to be fired...IMO, and very likely Mayor Adams', this continued refusal to comply smacks of insubordination and I'm guessing the Mayor wants to drive home that point...it's not their call.
Link: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/united-states
The DoD is completely different from anything else. You sign a contract and swear an oath. We are mandated to vaccinate for things like flu and covid because we can get a notice to deploy and have less than 72 hours to respond and be on a plane going somewhere. You can also file for a waiver on whatever grounds you can come up with if you so choose to, and it might become not a requirement anyway, and I know people who have. Firefighters and Police and other first responders are city/county employees for the most part. I'm federal. You cannot equate the two.
You certainly shouldn't have caused the loss of employment for people who, as you note, are NEEDED simply because they didn't want to get the vaccine. That is authoritarian government, and you support it.
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