The science changed.
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population if over land, an AIM-9X Sidewinder works just as well over the Pacific as the Atlantic.
What could have been the hold up? Why wasn't it intercepted as it entered the Alaskan NORAD Region (ANR) Was the military asleep at the switch and did not recognize the intrusion of NORAD?
"Today's deliberate and lawful action demonstrates that President Biden and his national security team will always put the safety and security of the American people first while responding effectively to the PRC's unacceptable violation of our sovereignty," Austin said referring to the Peoples Republic of China.
Bullshit, the baby went out with the bath water, the cow is out of the barn and the chicoms have pinpointed the GPS coordinates of every Minuteman III silo and every B-52 runway. Austin and Biden waited until the info that the chicoms were collecting had been transferred home. Does anyone think the balloon had to get back to China for the chicoms to get whatever they were looking for? As soon as they realized that ANR is vulnerable, they wet their collective trousers.
As for team Biden, our safety and security were seriously jeopardized when the balloon flew over Alaska and the continental United States. What in the hell was :effective, after the balloon had crossed regions of Alaska, Canada and the continental United States?
Whatever the chicoms were looking for, they have it now and could not care less when the balloon headed off the Carolinas' coast. Biden and his team, once again, a day late and a dollar short. Afghanistan redux.
sensitive transmissions for the time it was over critical areas (i.e. Montana missile bases...i.e. Biden's team was way out in front of this...plus they picked the time to shoot it down when the payload could be recovered only by military units...turns out in just 47 feet of water...should only take a few days to get it all...in the best condition possible...score one for the good guys.
As for Afghanistan, that analogy is not at all apt...it was a humanitarian rescue mission with 180,000 friendly Afghanis given refuge....that's also 180,000 more than what DJT planned on.
Do you think their satellites had missed that info?
This is all so weird…a major blunder for the chicoms. And from a strategic perspective, not a big deal at all.
You should google “open skies treaty” and see what we let countries do.
The most disturbing thing is that it made it to Montana before we seemed to notice and then it was reported that Biden said to shoot it down over MT before being talked out of it. Then we get the BS that it couldn't be shot down due to it's elevation. Gaslighting all day every day.
We just didn’t think much of it.
We let other countries do this all the time, believe it or not. Including the Russians.
It sounds weird…but google “open skies treaty.”
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Regardless of the details, what's obvious is that it wasn't handled well from a PR standpoint. Partisans against Biden will over criticize, partisans for Biden will explain it away.
Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=viewall&forumid=2&msgid=118357
This isn't the first balloon. It's just the first publicized balloon. If you want to start selling a war to the American people, a good first step is to show that another country is intruding on its land.
When China moves on Taiwan, there will be plenty of people who wonder why we are getting involved in a conflict halfway around the world. This balloon brings the conflict to our front door. It is to Taiwan what election interference was to Ukraine.
I obviously don't know shit, but that could be why we let an inconsequential balloon travel as far as it did.
Also, fuck John Cena.
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Not a cult.
just my opinion, but it wouldn't surprise me if U.S. Intel wanted to wait until it reached our coast and then bring it down when only our Navy could collect all the pieces with minimal damage to whatever was on board the balloon payload...given that the wreckage is landing in relatively shallow water with our ships, helos, etc. waiting for it, adds credence to that idea. Had it been over land people would have to be notified and scavengers could possibly run off with critical pieces...just my thoughts.
He aren't going to learn anything from it.
Why Biden waited to shoot down the suspected spy balloon
From CNN's Kevin Liptak, Phil Mattingly, Natasha Bertrand, Pete Muntean and Oren Liebermann,
It would take seven days from when the suspected Chinese spy balloon first entered US airspace before an F-22 fighter jet fired a heat-seeking missile into it on the opposite end of the country, sending its equipment and machinery tumbling into the Atlantic Ocean.
In his Tuesday briefing with the president, Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, informed Joe Biden the balloon appeared to be on a clear path into the continental United States, differentiating it from previous Chinese surveillance craft.
The president appeared inclined at that point to take the balloon down and asked Milley and other military officials to draw up options and contingencies.
At the same time, Biden asked his national security team to take steps to prevent the balloon from being able to gather any intelligence -- essentially, by making sure no sensitive military activity or unencrypted communications would be conducted in its vicinity, officials said.
That evening, Pentagon officials met to review their military options. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, traveling abroad in Asia, participated virtually. NASA was also brought in to analyze and assess the potential debris field, based on the trajectory of the balloon, weather, and estimated payload.
When options were presented to Biden on Wednesday, he directed his military leadership to shoot down the balloon as soon as they viewed it as a viable option, given concerns about risks to people and property on the ground.
But Austin and Milley told Biden the risks of shooting the balloon down were too high while it was moving over the US, given the chance debris could endanger lives or property on the ground below.
“They said to me, ‘Let’s wait till the safest place to do it,’” Biden told reporters Saturday.
Biden had another key request, though: He wanted the military to shoot down the balloon in such a way that it would maximize their ability to recover its payload, allowing the US intelligence community to sift through its components and gain insights into its capabilities, officials said. Shooting it down over water also increased the chances of being able to recover the payload intact, the officials said.
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Indeed, the Navy and Coast Guard have ships and divers picking up the pieces as we speak....
If that's the case, criticism over letting it get as far as it did is warranted.
But it's so unlikely the payload is of any value. It doesn't take advanced tech to fly a balloon. We don't need that information.
All of this is politics and posting. If you're taking the official word at face value, you are are lost. Your time would be better spent learning history than reading CNN.
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...Australia...on everything from semiconductors to military aid and new bases for the U.S....thus making it harder for China's "Belt and Road" strategy to achieve success. Meanwhile the 'Culture Warriors' are absolutely clueless...still looking for their leader who will write the "Best Love Letters" to foreign autocrats so they'll say nice things to him. All Americans should take note of this contrast, although as we've seen, too many are incapable...it is what it is...
You started off well for once, but you petered out with Kamala Harris-level drivel there at the end. Better luck next time.
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Well done.
Perfect troll.
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Joe Biden's legal team and chief lawyer were present in the cockpit of the F-15 as the balloon was ruptured, where they then carefully scooped up the documents with the classified designation on them without ever actually looking at them.
"This is all of them", Biden's chief counsel stated as two more classified documents floated down from the sky next to him. The DOJ was not invited to the shoot down. AG Merrick Garland was asked about this irregularity and responded, "President Biden has been fully cooperating, and thus there was no need to have our agents present while Biden's lawyers sifted through the documents as they parachuted down". This is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from Donald Trump's intransigence where he sadi he would cooperate, followed our instructions, but we just didn't believe him because...you know...he's Donald Trump".
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....it likely isn't much different than shooting it down over active fishing lanes in the ocean as they did. Either way, the odds of any problem from debris in either case are infinitismally small compared to the risk of allowing the Chinese to do what they got away with doing.
When you hear such utter bullshit, you know the F'd up somehow and are now covering up.
They might be gone by 2015! Wait, what?
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I mean, look at how hard he held China to account over their role in COVID.
Oh wait, he blew that investigation a lot faster than he did this balloon.
Link?
More specifically they questioned whether or not is was possible to shoot the balloon without a stabilizing arm brace. Because as we all know, weapons don't work unless they have a stabilizing brace.
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The fact you have gone into spin defense mode for Chris shows how wrong he was, and how bad this looks.
He should just say, "Looks like I was wrong" and "Stop jim, your embarassing me further" and just move on.
This isn't a court of law where you can claim a technicality that he never said it was "impossible". He argued strongly against the idea that it could be done, and even offered it as the reason that Brandon hadn't acted yet. He also doubled down by saying that nobody who is advocating it can actually explain how they go about doing it. This isn't a court of law. It is a court of opinions. Everyone sees.
Biden can use it in his campaign videos, "What was once thought impossible by Twitter experts, was achieved through Joe's staunch leadership."
no one said it is impossible to shoot down the balloon. I read where military people said it’s not an easy target.
As far as 94 goes, he’s more than capable standing up to the likes of you.
However I did read it is possible to shoot down the balloon because the science has changed. Your rhetoric aside, I just want to know if it was impossible to shoot the balloon out of the sky.
The impossible comment in the post that you are referring to was directed toward Chris and his comments.
Chris was using the supposed Herculean task of shooting it down as the reason that Biden hadn't acted like a strong leader and responded before it passed over our entire country. China made it's point abundantly clear...Biden is weak, and he is their bitch.
mentioning his name.
I think you’re outrage is for rage sake.
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was intended for.
Sounds to me like you’re a Mr.buttinski!
Always yammering nothing to say.
doubt waiting with helos and ships to recover it safely below? Your fantasy life is constantly getting in the way of simple logic. As for Biden being weak, Xi didn't think so when JB sent my nephew and a Carrier Task Force through the South China Sea.
Back to Fantasyland, Baron...where you belong.
but if it had been at 100K ft, it would be a lot more challenging, which is what Chris was saying...again, not 'impossible', just more difficult...at that altitude.
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The Chinese don't need a balloon to spy on us. It seems like it's either posturing, or they are trying to see how we would react.
Would shooting it down before it got to the US have exposed capability we don't want to expose?
Did we need to select a specific type of technology to bring the balloon down so as not to inadvertently expose tech that we'd rather not deploy yet?
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Credit to Cole for that phrase that will stick.
I wonder if he gives stock market tips?
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Following that lead.
China gets whatever it wanted, humilates Biden, makes the US look weak to the world and our electorate....but at least he showed Chris that balloon shooting technology is another category that he isn't an expert in.
Clips.
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From She.
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Was so difficult. I get they didn’t want to do it over civilization but states like Montana seemed ideal. We’ll have to wait for the experts. Are they from Party City?
This was just another lie by the WH to a fanbase stupid enough not to see through the idiocy of the claim.
I wonder if it was headed to Hunters?
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