guns come in from outside. So then why do they not think the same thing would apply here with national gun restrictions if they really believe this?
Anyone who wants to discuss gun bans honestly has to also be for changing the Biden border policy.
Yet, I don’t see anyone on this board who fits that description.
Any gun restrictions at present are not even worth debating without first fixing border security. Since this does not occur, I must conclude that the Left really just wants to use this topic for political gain. This would explain Joe Biden’s shameless politicization speech in the wake of this tragedy.
I’m listening gun control advocates. Are you serious, or not?
Except those that are on the outside because they were previously brought there from the United States.
Stop the legal manufacture here and everyone would benefit.
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You must understand this eventuality, right?
Where the guns come from now is irrelevant. They will come from across the border that is not being secured if the demand arises. There is no demand for it now, because they can be bought legally here now. But if they are made illegal....
So, I see that you aren't serious about this discussion. Too bad.
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These guys are facists. You are arguing with fascists.
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Our government lives at our mercy. And, we have a history of putting up with bullshit for only so long...witness the American Revolution. Americans are different. Comparisons to other countries will always fail in this regard.
And we place our trust in its Constitution….since 1789 we have followed and amended that Constitution by democratic vote …even the 2nd Amendment has recognized restrictions on gun ownership…it now needs further revision.
The only threat to our democracy are leaders who try to overthrow it…like DJT on Jan. 6th …the 2nd Amendment didn’t save us…loyal Americans following that Constitution did…even a GOP Vice President, like Mike Pence.
But Americans don't want to be forced to do it again, thus the 2d Am.
Go for an Article V Amendment to repeal the 2d. See how far you get. In the meantime, follow the Constitution, and don't do end runs around it. Sound like a plan?
Democratically amending our Constitution takes care of the rest.
That's not a compliment. Gun control can be a core tenant of facism AND countries can have gun control and not be facist. Those two things are mutually exclusive.
On top of that, you need to start qualifying theses statements with "currently" and "today." You aren't an Oracle. You aren't a witch. You aren't an authority on what will be happening in those countries in 50 and 100 years.
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You ever consiser that we don't need guns right now because we have guns right now? That's coming in low but it will still go over your head.
Adults to put restrictions on lethal Toys that the "Kids" in this country don't need.
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Wackos on the right think that people who want fewer dead first graders secretly also want to overthrow democracy.
Totally right.
Democracy is a threat to democracy!
Its pretty clear to me that the path to facism is a lot easier when there isn't anyone capable of standing in the way. What's not clear is why you disagree with that.
And you gun nuts just say that all moderate ideas are merely preludes to total confiscation (which is the secret plan!) and then to impose fascism on an unarmed population (which is the secret plan!).
So fuck it.
There is a difference between trying to defend yourself against the argument that you are just trying to ban all guns, and from arguing against the notion that the path to facism is a lot easier when there isn't anyone capable of standing in the way.
I understand not wanting to deal with the former, but it's ridiculous of you to launch an angsty, sarcastic attack on the latter and then to run away completely.
When it comes down to it, they want to eliminate guns entirely. I'm not falling for the gun control conversation anymore.
I've chased people down that rabbit hole too many times already. People won't answer questions. They make up facts. They ignore or excuse away logical problems with their argument. And the honest ones will make you prod them for 28 minutes before they finally admit they just want to ban guns.
It's gold for fund raising.
guys will ever touch the question - what are you going to do about illegal guns? Now we have the "assault weapon" ban back in the headlines because it sounds like it will make a difference. All the while, inner cities have bloody weekends with gun violence. I'm sure this ban will make a huge difference in those places.
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