Ty pointed out below that the mainstream media doesn't get the facts wrong, or at least tries to get the facts right. He's actually technically correct. But what he's ignoring or not seeing is the bias they have which leads to extremely dishonest journalism. They often leave out important context and quote "experts" who favor their point of view. Cases in point:
- George Zimmerman. Reported as he "stalked, shot and killed Trayvon Martin." Lots of play was given to the 911 operator's "we don't need you to do that" when Zimmerman mentioned he was following Martin. What is often omitted is that on the 911 call, Zimmerman told the 911 operator "okay" and he said he would stop following. Zimmerman testified he was heading home/going back to his car (I forget) and Martin then came back and confronted him and attacked him. A witness testified Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating the crap out of him, and Zimmerman had injuries that seemed to confirm this. Yet, these details were widely omitted or barely mentioned.
- Kyle Rittenhouse. When the facts were soon known after the incident, it was crystal clear it was self-defense. Yes, Rittenhouse was an idiot, but not a criminal. Yet, the MSM strongly played up "experts" who claimed Rittenhouse was guilty, or their reporting was that "Rittenhouse shot protesters."
- Tony Timpa. Who? you might ask. A guy in Dallas killed by police in much the same manner as George Floyd. No national news coverage. Why? Because Timpa was white. The media has consistently ignored the fact that white suspects/criminals are killed by police, too, and in questionable circumstances. But because the MSM has taken the position that police disproportionately "target" black suspects/criminals, this is all they focus on. Which leads to...
- The mainstream media's only mantra is black people are killed at a rate 2.5 times higher than white people. This is true. But what's omitted is black suspects/criminals are NOT killed in higher proportion than white suspects/criminals. This is dishonest reporting to the highest degree.
- Hunter Biden. Had this been Donald Trump Jr., this would have been front-page news for weeks in the NY Times, Washington Post, etc.
- AP news stories about Trump consistently stated, "Trump stated, without evidence..." Biden often makes questionable claims, too, as all politicians do, but you never see the phrase "without evidence."
In short, the MSM media paint a very incomplete picture, and they do it deliberately. Pew Research showed several years ago 89% of all national reporters said they routinely vote Democrat. Finally, why do liberals in general trust and have faith in the MSM? Because the MSM's reporting mirrors their point of view. For if the MSM was truly impartial, the right would say it skews left and the left would say it skews right.
Contrast the US with Canada, which has state funded news media, and while the reporting tends to be more "factual", at least based on what I've seen living in MI, there's also a bias towards the controlling party.
I don't know what the right answer is, but when people can't agree on facts, including what the comprehensive set of facts happens to be, then that makes it nearly impossible to have a conversation. But when your aim is to drive hits or viewership and outrage correlates with viewership, then that creates a perverse incentive.
It works really well for the people in power.
I propose that we promote character traits like integrity and employ techniques like 'trust but verify' across the general population. Individual accountability would solve a lot of these problems.
not giving them credit is of course, plagiarism.
1. I can’t think of a news source that didn’t point out Killerman’s injuries. They were much shown and debated on every channel, Heavy, and internet feed known to mankind. We battled to and fro right here on the forum for what seems like forever on it.
2. Rittenhouse as you pointed out the facts were soon known. Every news outlet pointed out the disturbing scenes in sequence in slo mo of his killing protesters. Op-eds cross-examined the issues of his actions as well as the police actions to a fare-the-well from the moment it happened.
3. Tony Timpa’s death was reported and never reached the coverage of Floyd’s murder likely because it happened in TX where it was up to TX law enforcement to produce the information. Not saying it was a cover-up but clearly they were not open about it. Floyd’s murder on the other hand was filmed by several bystanders who pleaded for the police to stop strangling him. Floyd’s murder was an open to the public slaying of a man. A modern day lynching by a policeman.
4. Hunter’s lap top is and was a political and news boondoggle largely to do with the method in which the story came about, the handling of the computer and the lack of veracity by those who brought it to light. From the beginning it had all the earmarks of a hoax.
5. I have no clue what you’re saying about the AP.
In conclusion, you’re trying to give FOX TV that knowingly lied to the nation for profit and appearing as a voice or arm of the Republican Party credibility by knocking down other media as doing wrong.
You’re misguided at best - or a far right wing dupe -
You really think if George Floyd was white the media would have reported this? Laughable. Right after the Rodney King beating, my brother was out in San Diego and videoed police roughing up a white guy. I saw the video. Anyway, he went to the three ABC, NBC and CBS outlets in San Diego. All three told him they had no interest. Once point-blank told him they weren't interested because the guy was white.
Remember the so-called "black church burning" arson epidemic a couple of decades ago? Widely reported until USA Today did an analysis and found no, not only are black churches not being burned in greater numbers than in the past, but the proportion was the same as white churches.
After that, that story died quickly.
Your post is quite literally opposite of fact.
What is also a bug a boo is the testimony of the condo resident who claimed he saw TM on Killerman beating him. He knew it was Killerman on the ground
because he could see the color of his clothing.
What we know is, that resident was standing in his well-lit living room with his TV on looking across his dimly lit tiny patio - looking out into the darkness
of the unlit communal lawn of the complex. The issue is, you cannot see from a lighted area, through another lighted area into darkness and see figures or color. The condo owner
lied on the stand. It's too bad the prosecution was as inept as it was because that testimony was used to disqualify the premise TM was the one being set
upon by Killerman. We know there was no shining moon that night because it was told to us, it was a cloudy night.
But this was long litigated (poorly) and the nation was divided on politics. TM's photo on fb was touted as TM is a thug so of course he attacked Killerman.
What a country we live in. The shame of it.
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"From the beginning it had all the earmarks of a hoax."
It's not like it's an unknown human medication. And a five minute Google search is all that was needed to understand what it is and what it isn't. Simply, it was lying. Just one example.
Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711
MSM are much worse today. Just two examples, Pfizer research project manager's confess on the idea to mutate the virus and Seymour Hersh's Nord stream report. Both are related to very important global events in mass vaccination and Russia-Ukraine war. Both are completely ignored by MSM.
There is NO COMPARISON with the "MSM"...what FOX exhibited is BIAS on steroids...Bias for Profit...not Truth.
Given that Pew Research showed 89% of all national reporters are regular Democrat voters and that more recent polls show admitted liberals outnumber admitted conservatives 4-to-1 in the news media, do you really think the mainstream media reports honestly? By honestly I mean in story selection, not omitting relevant facts and reporting in the correct context.
unfortunately, FOX does not...as proven with their admitted lying about a "Stolen Election", in violation of their own published "Standards of Business Conduct" (see link)...from those "Standards"...
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Our foremost principles are the ACCURACY OF INFORMATION,
clarity of opinion and quality of our content. To ensure this, we maintain strict separation between revenue sources and our news reporting and editorial opinions. We provide a platform for diverse perspectives, voices and views, always supporting relentless reporting and bold thoughts and opinions. We are innovators in sophisticated newsgathering methods, always searching for new ways to inform, engage and inspire audiences in both traditional and new media. (emphasis mine)
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Thankfully, as you point out, the majority of news media are ethical and reliable and only a minority are not...unfortunately, too many subscribers are not able to discern the false statements of that minority.
You call the "MSM" biased...one thing for sure...they are FACTUAL and ETHICAL...FOX clearly isn't, and given the volume of similar lies from other Right Wing outlets, they aren't alone in lying to their subscribers.
Link: https://media.foxcorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/prod/2022/06/17135056/Fox-6.15.22-SOBC.pdf
Reporting endlessly on stories that make Republicans look bad while ignoring stories that make Democrats look bad. Deliberately omitting facts to skew context.
As someone else said, read Bernard Goldberg's book "Bias." He was at CBS for 22 years. But I doubt you will as I've learned you refuse to read any material that contradicts your established viewpoint.
dramatically demonstrated a TOTAL LACK of ethics...from top to bottom they KNEW that Trump's claim of a "Stolen Election" was patently false...yet they promoted the "Big Lie" for one reason...MONEY.
As you've stated before, the 'MSM' gets its facts straight and does not tell lies...your complaint is that it often favors a liberal view of what's being reported...there is a measure of truth to that perspective, but not always as the attached article notes...btw, the same sort of bias is evident in virtually all conservative media.
There are no examples of any MSM entity publishing material that the entire organization knows is completely false...and repeating it even in the face of evidence to the contrary as FOX has done.
You cannot find the truth if you don't get the facts right...the MSM works hard to get its facts...FOX just doesn't care.
Link: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/why-the-media-is-worse-for-biden-than-trump.html
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believe in God.
Fox's opinion hosts are extremely biased. Of course. But what's worse is the MSM pretending it's impartial when in fact it's not. How is deliberately leaving out important context, ignoring stories that are unfavorable to Democrats or giving great weight to experts who mirror their desired point of view while virtually ignoring experts who have counter views not dishonest? If you can't see that then you're not looking.
refuse to take them in.
Yet, you want to judge their content?
Subscribe to both for one year. Then repost.
Trump's claims of a 'Stolen Election'...the Owner, Management and Hosts are on record as knowing immediately after the election that it was fairly decided, yet they promoted Trump's claims anyway...and we know why...for the protection of their PROFITS...this is an unparalleled violation of journalistic ethics...never done by any of the "MSM" organizations.
As for your 'examples', I'll take the first one...GZ ignored 911 advice to leave TM alone and ended up killing him...those are facts...there's no way to put 'lipstick' on his fatally poor decision.
What evidence do you have that Zimmerman's account is incorrect, that he stopped following Martin once the 911 operator pointed out that wasn't a good idea? You have NOTHING.
And was the biggest piece of evidence against him.
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There is evidence Killerman followed TM and he assumed TM was up to no good therefore followed TM.
There is evidence Killerman shot and killed TM. There is evidenced Killerman created the circumstances
for the killing.
You assume TM was the aggressor when clearly Killerman by his own words followed TM.
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and that would depend on several issues concerning agency.
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unless the plaintiff can pierce the corporate veil to get to Rupert or the BOD. If the corporation was legally formed and there was no fraud I suspect the shareholders will bare the loss. Of course they will all be out of pocket for the loss of share value.
If I was defending I would need to read the deposition transcripts of all the officers, directors and vice presidents of plaintiffs and financial experts to try to show plaintiff suffered no damages thereby cutting off punitive damages and leaving only statutory damages if found liable. If no damages jury might even decide no liability despite being pissed at defendant. Plus there is always the potential for a settlement taking into consideration the cost for trial by both parties. They had no contract so I don't think attorneys' fees are in play.
Frankly, I would not be surprised if there are no damages, I doubt that plaintiff lost any business but they can get statutory damages for any finding of liability and if well played, punitive damages, but they'll need to show malice.
In the NBC segment, Zimmerman says: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”
The full version, though, unfolds like this:
Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”
911 operator: “Okay. And this guy, is he white, black or Hispanic?”
Zimmerman: “He looks black.”
have been nearly as concerned.
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followed instructions Martin would be alive today..he made a tragically poor decision and took matters into his own hands...all of this is unbiased and true...
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Then it is true NBC, MSNBC, and CNN do correct their mistakes and make note of it to the public.
Hence correcting the record.
This doesn't go well with the argument raging in the last dozens of threads that FOX TV is no different
than those other outlets. I guess you guys are arguing the wrong side of things, once again.
correction and most likely buried it far down on their web page. You believe this was an honest mistake. I do not. If the situation was flipped, I'm sure NBC wouldn't have edited the sound bite they way they did. They were trying to spin a narrative and paint Zimmerman as a racist. There's a good book by Bernie Goldberg about the media called "Bias." It's a really good read.
mistake. They apologized so all is good.
things get the record straight. You also see, when FOX TV is told of their blunders, they double down on their commitment
to the false story or they just simply move on and that's the crux of most of their issues when we say, FOX TV lies and
delivers false information. The other big issue is, at FOX TV, they do it as a prescription not something done by accident.
This fever dream all you R's have is that every news center does the same thing and as pointed out, most media outlets
have a code of ethics and standards. Some like FOX TV, Breitbart, NewsMax, Epoch Times, Sinclair News don't have
standards outside profit.
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more explanation?
its ok. They believed it true at the time so it’s not really a lie. Just an honest mistake.
They double down on their false tales.
Obviously you missed the point - as usual.
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It's a lie if they embellish and continue with it.
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A lie is when you double down.
Do we really need to rediscover the difference between right and wrong?
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Too embarrassing for you to admit you were duped by them. Or just too politically costly for you to admit truth?
you still have your head firmly planted in the sand.
This Gaslighting strategy of endlessly repeating the same fallacious meme relies on exhausting those who present facts and the truth...doesn't seem to be working now, does it?
Race cards, reflex “liar” claims when wrong, posting fake news because he didn’t read his own link, delving deeply into conspiracy theories while accusing others of it. Disappearing when he is shown to be wrong.
I used to disagree with him, but we could talk. Now, he can’t do that anymore.
Recently I was told that normals trust and follow CDC advice. Apparently that doesn't apply to masking on airplanes.
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This is typically where I challenge your stupid assessment and you slide away like the juicy turd running down your leg.
Nevermind that Fox News is part of the MSM and you definitely would have agreed with my assessment if I'd have limited my statement to just them. What a twat.
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What they report may be technically true but they deliberately omit facts or don't report on stories that are unfavorable to Democrats or the left.
Another case in point (Ty, are you listening?). The media often reports Donald Trump told the January 6 protesters "fight like hell" but omit that he also said "make your voices heard peacefully." Mutually exclusive? Maybe. But politicians always use the word "fight." Context, context, context. They also fail to report Trump authorized the National Guard and recommendations to employ it were ignored...in their NEWS stories.
knew were false way back in November...then tell me that Trump had no intention of rallying the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys and everyone else to storm the Capital Building...use that common sense of yours.
Link: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/08/politics/trump-january-6-speech-transcript/index.html
with anything pertaining to Trump and Russia. Now if you only watch left MSM and nothing else, those people believe what they see. Ty is delusional if he thinks MSM doesn’t lie or is biased. Bernie Goldberg has a book about the media called “Bias” I suggested to Ty that he should read it and learn something.