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Since when is admitting a crime in front of thousands a good legal defense?

Author: Quest4twelve (6750 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 9:31 am on Jul 4, 2021
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Thread Level: 2

M’on now, paying your kid’s tuition directly from the company with pre tax dollars is an A okay

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:06 am on Jul 4, 2021
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corporate perk. Hunter did it all the time.

Thread Level: 3

4 year investigation of Trump leads to $1.7 mm charge of tax avoidance

Author: Iggle (12639 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 11:53 am on Jul 4, 2021
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For some other guy. Real victory for the Manhattan and NY DA’s/AG’s.

Totally normal to make this puny item a criminal charge. This is never ever handled as a civil matter anywhere, right? Totally not desperate politics applauded by imbeciles.


Thread Level: 4

It's banana republic kind of stuff.

Author: MAS (21505 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:11 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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The fascinating thing about their stupidity is that they never consider what will happen when the shoe is on the other foot.

Up here, they tried to recall Scott Walker twice, and failed, and then tried to get him for election law violations. And, golllllllllly, what happened last fall? An effort to recall Democrat Tony Evers. It failed, but it will surely be tried again against a Democrat for some nonsense reason. I don't want to hear any whining at that point.


Thread Level: 5

If no big deal, why keep two separate accounting books?

Author: Quest4twelve (6750 Posts - Joined: Aug 5, 2015)

Posted at 12:56 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Of course. Hunter Biden should be allowed to use tax free corporate dollars to send his illegitimate

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:26 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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kid to the best private schools and save a million bucks. Just an accepted perk of the rich and powerful. Bummer he won’t be able to do it. There would be nary a whisper about that here ordinarily.

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Thread Level: 6

It's not right at all. However, with every other person, it's handled differently.

Author: MAS (21505 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:33 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Again, this is banana republic behavior, targeting a political foe, which you know. The five year temper tantrum continues and even a conviction will not abate it.

Thread Level: 7

Bullshit as usual. Anyone else trying to run kids tuition to the tune of close to 6 figures

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:39 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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through the company to avoid taxes for years gets treated the same way.

Thread Level: 8

A four year politically-motivated investigation has yielded this ridiculous charge.

Author: Iggle (12639 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:48 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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They couldn’t manufacture anything to charge Trump with, in spite of all the resources they brought to bear.

And you have no problem at all with the whole tainted process. Remarkably depressing.


Thread Level: 9

I would have no problem with it if it were Hunter Biden. What you are saying is the problem

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:51 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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in general with our system. Close to 7 figure tax fraud isn’t puny. It shouldn’t be accepted no matter who does it.

Thread Level: 10

It’s puny and immaterial. And you have no idea if there is any truth whatsoever to the charges.

Author: Iggle (12639 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:55 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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It’s not as if anyone has stipulated that these payments were made and deducted.

Like, the best case for AG is that four years of this investigation might yield a $500k fine for someone not named Trump.


Thread Level: 11

I will wager the sum you want that it’s documented.

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:58 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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If you think giving yourself nearly a million dollar tax break is puny, then so be it.

Thread Level: 12

A 4 year investigation of this multi billion enterprise

Author: Iggle (12639 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 1:21 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Led to a charge of "nearly seven figures" to a guy not named Trump.

And yet you are such a political hack you can't admit that this is very small beer, indeed. Even if true. And you refuse to acknowledge that it is politics literally spinning out of control because your weird, extreme feelings for DJT have completely unhinged you.

#Pathetic


Thread Level: 13

Seriously, if there had been a four year investigation of the Biden’s and this came out of it,

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 1:36 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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you would be whistling a different tune. It’s obvious tax fraud.. It’s not just aggressive corporate perks. It’s criminal conduct. You just want to give it a pass cause it’s Trump. You don’t insulate yourself against tax fraud by being a controversial politician.

Thread Level: 4

Yes and no.

Author: conorlarkin (21063 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:03 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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The lion's share of the 4 year investigation involved lengthy court battles, fighting over Trump's financial and tax records.

The Manhattan DA's Office has had those records for a few months after finally prevailing.

What they have charged thus far is criminal, but certainly not typically charged, at least without allowing a civil settlement to square up the unpaid tax bill.

If they have nothing else to bring and/or are relying upon cooperation to move the ball forward, then I do not understand why they would have charged as they did.

But, there has always been a reason why Trump would never agree to release his tax/financial records to the voters or prosecutors. Trump obstructs at every level. He is a dishonest corrupt person. Whether anything becomes "criminal" only happens when 12 jurors say so.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 5

The car, even the condo, sure. There is at least arguable business purpose . Tuition

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:10 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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for grandkids while deducting it penny for penny from salary is tax fraud.

Thread Level: 6

Yes. Tax fraud definitely in play.

Author: conorlarkin (21063 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:42 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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My point is that this stuff is generally not prosecuted unless tied to more egregious fraud.

The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 7

Fraud that obvious is pursued in this federal district all the time for much lower sums.

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:48 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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I don’t know of anyone who would be that arrogant to try to pull that tax scheme though.

Thread Level: 8

Understood. The difference is this prosecution is brought against a former President’s company.

Author: conorlarkin (21063 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:22 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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On one hand, no one is above the law.

On the other hand, when a state prosecutor in a deeply blue state files an indictment against a former President or his company, it has to rise above the optics of a politically targeted prosecution.

The current indictment struggles to overcome that threshold.

But, more to come I surmise.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 9

Here’s the point. The investigation is completed. It’s found that this guy was committing

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 9:47 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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tax fraud for years to the tune of almost 7 figures for the tuition for his grand kids. And it’s outright tax fraud, not even arguably business related. That gets prosecuted whether it’s this guy or a Hunter Biden in my book. That’s the problem with this society. We excuse outright crime by the rich and powerful on the basis that everyone does it. No they don’t, and if they do, it should be prosecuted.

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Thread Level: 10

You have zero proof of the evidence in this case. But you do have acute TDS.

Author: notredame678 (3732 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2007)

Posted at 10:12 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Jersey Sucks!
Thread Level: 6

We've finally arrived at the Coke bottle in the vault...the yellowcake in the desert!

Author: MAS (21505 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:16 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Thread Level: 7

Would yah like to make a small wager on whether there is a conviction?

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:21 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Thread Level: 8

Oh, Frank, I'm sure they'll finally get their conviction.

Author: MAS (21505 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:24 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Buckle up. At some point, unprincipled, political hack boobs will come for your favored candidate.

You know this is a joke and how it would be handled with any American but him. What principles! What commitment to democracy! Bully for you! High moral standards!


Thread Level: 9

Yah, think that the argument that everyone commits close to a mil in tax fraud won’t work?

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:27 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Where in the world did I say that? I hope strawmen across the fruited plain get royalties from you.

Author: MAS (21505 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:34 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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I didn’t say you said it scarecrow. I say that’s gonna be the defense.

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:37 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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And I’m asking if you agree that it won’t work. No straw there.

You are really losing it.


Thread Level: 5

Trump withheld his tax records for one of two reasons.

Author: Iggle (12639 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:09 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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1) He is not nearly as rich as he claims (blow to ego)
2) he pays almost no Federal taxes (blow to his standing among the common people)

Could be both reasons together.

He certainly did not withhold them to avoid this being discovered. He is audited by the IRS virtually every year.


Thread Level: 6

Have you heard of Trump v Vance litigation? Or Trump v Mazars USA?

Author: conorlarkin (21063 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:46 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Of course he is hiding dishonest bookkeeping at a minimum.

IRS audits are almost always resolved via civil settlement. And they do not do as deep a dive as you think.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
Thread Level: 4

Try doing that “puny item” in yer business and see what happens.

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 11:57 am on Jul 4, 2021
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Thread Level: 5

Here’s what usually happens.

Author: Iggle (12639 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:11 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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After the audit the IRS sends you a letter saying that you can’t deduct these as business expenses and tells you to pay with interest and penalties.

Thread Level: 6

With ordinary aggressive deductions, yes. Not for that. Obvious fraud adding up to close to

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:19 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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7 figures.

Thread Level: 7

Can you cite the similar cases brought recently by state or local DA’s?

Author: Iggle (12639 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:42 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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I didn’t think so.

Thread Level: 8

Show me all of the million dollar tuition cases that resolved civilly.

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:45 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Didn’t think so.

Thread Level: 9

(chuckling)

Author: MAS (21505 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:53 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Thread Level: 10

(lol)

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:55 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Thread Level: 11

Yip, yip, yip!

Author: MAS (21505 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:57 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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My little poodle puppet.

Dance, puppet, dance!


Thread Level: 12

(lol).

Author: Frank L (64757 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:59 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Thread Level: 6

Truth.

Author: MAS (21505 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:17 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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And that truth hurts.

Call me crazy, but this sort of behavior from prosecutors doesn't strike me as emblematic of the spirit of democracy, which I thought we all wanted to save?


Thread Level: 2

CornPop would know.

Author: Frankx (5385 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 10:19 am on Jul 4, 2021
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Thread Level: 2

since hunter was born?

Author: und67 (6805 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:03 am on Jul 4, 2021
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msm, dnc, antifa, blm: trying to kill america.
Thread Level: 2

biden oath of office?

Author: (unknown user)(User Info Not Available)

Posted at 10:03 am on Jul 4, 2021
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Thread Level: 3

Clinton Foundation? Chicago elections? Crossing the border illegally?

Author: ELP (9612 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 11:00 am on Jul 4, 2021
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