Apparently, having a Chick-fil-a on our campus signals a lack of this emotion.
On the other hand, damning Christians for their beliefs is not considered lacking in compassion.
My question is... why do we let anyone decide what is compassionate and what is not?
And are there any limits to the compassion we must show to any identity group?
And finally, what is implied by having compassion for LCGQT+ folks?
Are we saying that they are suffering inside?
Link: https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/lindsey-graham-war-chick-fil-a-notre-dame
CFA's founder and current leadership have been unrelenting in their support for discrimination of the LGBTQ+ community...while they 'regret' having their opposition to gay marriage, etc, becoming public...and a road block to their business expansion beyond the "Bible Belt"...they steadfastly hold to their belief that the LGBTQ+ community must continue to be opposed...and I would say, even 'attacked' verbally and in writing.
Meanwhile, the country is becoming more and more accepting of the LGBTQ+ community...from 52% (2002) to 72% (2019)...CFA (and some of our own Catholic Bishops) need to do an "Examination of Conscience" and change their behavior...not just their press releases.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/
Until CFA repudiates its current stance opposing the LGBTQ+ community, I say Notre Dame has better choices than CFA in finding dining options for its students, faculty and staff.
Link: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/5/29/18644354/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-donations-homophobia-dan-cathy
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On the other hand, anyone who even suggests that the myriad forms of human sexual perversion might derive from deeply repressed conflicts and anxieties extant from early development involving psychological trauma is immediately CANCELLED... even though there is no other viable explanation.
Seems to me that the anti-Chic-Fil-A movement is a huge defense against awareness of latent issues.
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They are against the practice because it violates their fundamentalist precepts. I think they are wrong but their beliefs are sincerely held and have been the norm in America for centuries. Plus their sammy is damn good. Are their views that far from us Catlicks? We don’t endorse discrimination, but homosexual acts are still considered a sin by our church last time I looked. Whether they should be is another thing, but they are.
This culture war shit gets more depressing all the time. It’s either some crazy lib zealots, or some tin horn MAS right wing culture warriors seeking attention.
decision making...but for me it is simply "double-speak"...they zealously put their money where their minds are...with full knowledge that the LGBTQ+ community will suffer as a result...that kind of religious fervor is anathema to me.
You can't say...as our Bishops do..."We have no problem with homosexual "inclinations"...all are welcome" and then turn around and denounce the obvious and and natural behavior those people will engage in because of those "inclinations"...the absolute definition of being "disingenuous"...with any luck this topic will get more discussion here.
Thankfully, the country has already moved to a majority (72%) that is accepting of the LGBTQ+ community and the prospect of returning to the days when a 'God Send' like Alan Turing had to take his own life fades.
However, to me, it’s disingenuous and unfair for ND as a Catholic University to exclude these guys for essentially taking no different position than our Church takes on the subject.
If they advocated discrimination against the community, I’m with you 100%. But I don’t understand them to do so. It’s a tempest in a tea pot to me. I guess I also like the Salvation Army and they do a lot of really good work. They get money from me every Christmas, cause I know what they do in this community. They help a lot of people and and I doubt they turn anyone away. I’ve never heard anything bad about the FOCA either. I regret their anti gay stances, but they are hardly hate groups. You can shit on them legit on this issue, but overall they are good peeps that help others.
Plus, I like the way Chick treats their customers as real people, and they provide a solid product to the university.
up for their (emerging) beliefs, which are only intended to follow Christ's fundamental teaching...i.e. "Love one another".
can tackle if they want to walk the way of the cross.
I don't understand the boycott of a franchise, you aren't hurting the Cathy's, only the franchise owner and his employees. Perhaps if you manage to actually close the local restaurant you might put a small ding in their bottom line from a lost franchise fee, but really you are just screwing over the franchise owner and employees, who are actual members of your community, trying to make a living.
Your own article says that they are donating to different charities, so it looks like they will not be supporting the charities that everyone has a problem with. So are you waiting for Mr. Cathy to come forward and embrace the LGBTQ+ community in order to be ok with the restaurant? You really want him to lie just so you feel ok about a chicken sandwich?
Chick-Fil-A is a place with good food and great service, and no matter which one I've been to in any location in America, I always get good food and great service. How many other fast food chains can you say that about?
You are free to boycott them all you want of course, that is the beauty of the country we live in. But if a Christian owned business can't set up shop at a Christian university because of the Christian beliefs of the owners, I would find that to be quite odd.
VOX article...
“In addition to refraining from financially supporting anti-LGBTQ organizations, Chick-Fil-A still lacks policies to ensure safe workplaces for LGBTQ employees and should unequivocally speak out against the anti-LGBTQ reputation that their brand represents.”
As Anderson’s statement suggests, Chick-fil-A has promised to cut ties with anti-LGBTQ charities before. In 2012, the Chicago-based Civil Rights Agenda issued a statement claiming that Chick-fil-A had promised to “no longer give to anti-gay organizations, such as Focus on the Family and the National Organization for marriage.”
Chick-fil-A declined to comment on the matter at the time, instead issuing a boilerplate statement to BuzzFeed News:
“We have no agenda, policy or position against anyone. We have a 65-year history of providing hospitality for all people and, as a dedicated family business, serving and valuing everyone regardless of their beliefs or opinions. The genuine, historical intent of our WinShape Foundation and corporate giving has been to support youth, family and educational programs.”
But the company’s donations to anti-LGBTQ groups continued. As ThinkProgress reported in 2017, Chick-fil-A continued to bankroll anti-gay groups like the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, the Salvation Army, and the Paul Anderson Youth Home through its foundation. Recent tax filings show that Chick-fil-A’s foundation donated $115,000 to the Salvation Army and $1.65 million to the Fellowship of Christian Athletes in 2018, though a company spokesperson told Bisnow that those donations were the result of multi-year commitments to each organization."
As I stated above, this country has rather quickly moved to a 70+% acceptance level for the LGBTQ+ community, and that includes an awful lot of Christians/Catholics, so it is inaccurate to imply that there is only "One" Christian perspective on that group. There are multiple examples of acceptance...even into our own military ranks...and for good reason...they do the job well.
Notre Dame should recognize the inherent discrimination practiced by the ownership of CFA and make a vendor choice that does not facilitate the transfer of student, faculty and staff funds into the pockets of openly discriminatory people...that's part of fighting for social justice, IMO.
This article talks about Chick-Fil-A actually coming out and saying something themselves in 2020, and there is nothing in it that states that they reneged on that statement about their charitable giving in 2020.
"But one of those things seems to be changing next year. The fast-food chain is changing its charitable giving approach in 2020 — and says, in an oblique way, that it will no longer donate to such organizations.
The Chick-fil-A Foundation will instead take “a more focused giving approach,” Chick-fil-A announced in a Monday press release. The foundation has set aside $9 million for 2020 that will be split between three initiatives: promoting youth education, combating youth homelessness, and fighting hunger. Those funds will be distributed to Junior Achievement USA, Covenant House International, and local food banks in cities where the chain opens new locations."
The 2012 issue you refer to as "reneged" was a statement that was not from Chick-Fil-A, it was a third party, which CFA did not acknowledge as true, as stated in the article their response was boiler plate. The "reneged" portion is acknowledged as previous commitments. Most people would favor honoring something you committed to, but perhaps you are not one of those people.
"As I stated above, this country has rather quickly moved to a 70+% acceptance level for the LGBTQ+ community, and that includes an awful lot of Christians/Catholics, so it is inaccurate to imply that there is only "One" Christian perspective on that group. There are multiple examples of acceptance...even into our own military ranks...and for good reason...they do the job well."
Nobody is arguing acceptance of LGBTQ+ in America, other than LGBTQ+ activist groups. Do what you want to do in your own life. I serve in the military, so I know about acceptance in the military, but thanks for letting me know. My personal stance has always been I don't give a shit what you look like, just do your damn job, and do it well. If you think I am implying that there is only "One" Christian perspective, then I apologize for not being clear. My point in my statement was that one organization with Christian (Catholic) beliefs denying business to another organization with Christian (likely Southern Baptist) beliefs, only on the basis of their (SB) beliefs, which don't contradict your Church doctrine/beliefs, seems odd, to me.
"Notre Dame should recognize the inherent discrimination practiced by the ownership of CFA and make a vendor choice that does not facilitate the transfer of student, faculty and staff funds into the pockets of openly discriminatory people...that's part of fighting for social justice, IMO."
First of all, this is just a great example of how social justice warriors don't understand what they are doing or saying. Notre Dame should recognize the inherent discrimination practiced by the Catholic Church, and should stop being a Catholic University, because Social Justice.
Mr. Cathy has his own beliefs, and he has supported multiple Christian organizations in the past with his charitable giving through the WinShape Foundation. As is usual with all social justice causes, if you look hard enough you will find something to be mad about and offended. He made comments about his personal beliefs in an interview, so people started cherry picking his charitable giving to find the outrage, and now we have Chick-Fil-A is an anti-LGBTQ+ organization. I find it ridiculous, but that's my opinion. I had a co-worker who would not eat at CFA, I asked him why, and he said "because if that old white dude hates gay people, you know how he probably feels about black people too." That's his choice as well.
You stuck to your talking points about acceptance and the charitable giving, even though you completely misinterpreted the article, and that's fine, but next time you dig up an article you really should make sure it says what you want it to say.
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According to your logic, any organization that gives money to another organization that does not promote the LGBTQ - LMNOP - community and endorse its behavior should be banned from existence. Who is doing more harm to individuals and communities in your world? Christian organizations that will not deviate from the tenants of the Bible, which they are called upon to follow by the very nature of being a Christian OR the activists that prevent those organizations from doing the very things that help so many people through charity works. As for Notre Dame, the last time I checked, they were a CATHOLIC university... by default, they should hold to CATHOLIC teachings. LGBTQ activities are not approved catholic doctrine regardless of how accepted the activities, behaviors, beliefs are of the population being polled. The Bible is not based on popular opinion, it is the inerrant Word of God and doesn't change with popular status.
asked a question regarding gay acceptance in the Church...he's walking a fine line between conservatives and progressives, but it shows that "Doctrine" is another word for "Current Teaching" and is not to be confused with "Dogma"...the first can be changed...the second can't.
The attached link shows that there are many Catholic leaders around the world who believe that the LGBTQ+ community should be fully accepted in the Church, so this issue isn't going away, and there is a non-zero chance that they will be in your lifetime.
Right now, the Church's teaching is that they'll only bless a marriage of a man and woman...ostensibly due to the opportunity for biological parenthood...which brings up the question of why the Church "marries" older couples when the woman is well past menopause...should they change the teaching to invalidate and annul all previous marriages that involved such a relationship?...I mean there was never a chance for the creation of a family...right?...But they could adopt, you say...well so could a gay couple...but the children would have a father and mother...much better you say....but the father could be a no-count abusive alcoholic...whereas, the gay couple is super stable, loving and regular Mass attendees who would put their kids in Baptismal classes, etc....how do you deal with that?...by now I hope you see the lack of logic in the Catholic Church's "Doctrinal Teaching"...it needs to change...and I'm guessing that it will.
This isn't about "Popular Opinion" at all...it's about Justice and Fairness...fortunately, more and more people are "getting it"...come join them.
I'm not trying to shut you down on this...I've spent my entire life in the Catholic Church, so I know the feelings on both sides...plus, I wasn't 'born with' my perception...it took much discernment for me, but I am completely at ease with it now...so...back to you.
Link: https://www.newwaysministry.org/issues/marriage-equality/church-leaders-support/
Welcoming them and allowing them the opportunity to hear the truth. This isn't about dogma. Welcoming sinners, which we all are, is not the same as endorsing or encouraging sinful behavior. Any church that openly endorses and encourages sinful behavior is going down a road that is scary and should be condemned.
If they really do discriminate like you say, the federal government would be all over them. They wouldn't be allowd to run TV ads, but yet they do.You are a bold face liar. But that is exactly what I expwct from all on the left.
community...they support those groups' efforts to discriminate...and approve of them...therefore, they are guilty of discrimination against the LGBTQ+ community. As for their hiring practices, I'd be interested in having CFA provide an independently audited review as to how many from that group they have hired, what positions, and what policies they have for recruitment, etc...wouldn't you?
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The C-F-A people have done very well by stalking out a right-wing position. All sorts of zealots eat there chicken for political reasons.
It is the only reason anyone would eat it, as far as I can tell.
Thank God ole Lindsay is sticking up for them. That'll get the dogs off the gay scent for a while.
At least they don't believe that sexual perversions might reflect deep seated conflicts and anxieties extant from early developmental psychological trauma. Expressing that view would be worth prison or worse.
They also treat you like a person at the Chick. Must be a Jesus thing.
making process as to Chicken sandwiches and nuggets.
Too bad. Politics and food are divorced in my world.
...support for Hitler. They just like the sandwich...be it "mediocre" or a touch above...
I think you meant to say, I have no idea why conservatives would defend an organization that holds to Christian beliefs. In the meantime, they will eat a pretty good chicken sandwich.
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by lobbying against their community - it was the LGBT community who were speaking out against chicken sandwiches and their sauces.
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a restaurant because they make contributions to organizations with Christian beliefs and do not donate to organizations that are against those Christian beliefs. What am I missing? Surely Ty has an article that can explain it to me better.
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a very big conservative win at ND.
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They try to impose their fantasies on reality.Men who think they are women,white people who think they are black,Indians and the same people do not respect others political and religious beliefs
Can't we all get along? Maybe a deal can brokered where Chick-Fil-A is allowed on campus in exchange for 5 Vagina Monologue performances...
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I just want to get that out there. I will stand by this position.
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I might have the exact game wrong, but I remember tailgating in one of those temporary parking lots on Dunn Road and the Chick-Fil-A folks came by handing out free chicken sandwiches to everyone. I don't recall seeing anyone protesting that day.
I do recall feeling sick during the game but I don't believe it was the sandwich's fault.
I stand with you.
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