Not that I think he had any to begin with but seriously, all you Trumpbots, does he really have cred any longer with you?
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They have really fed your insanity.
Trump will win the travel ban case as soon as the case isn't heard in front of a cherry-picked court, he will have placed a conservative on the SCOTUS within a month or so, and he will eventually get a rescue to the Unaffordable Care Act passed (any political loss from this week is Paul Ryan's far more than Trump's.
We all know Obama surveilled Trump's campaign - it's evidenced even by the leaks on Flynn. You can call it whatever you like, but he was listening - and word got back to Hillary who tweeted about it on Oct 30th or so 2016. I do not think Obama is dumb enough not to have his minions do the task however, so i expect no smoking gun.
We also all assumed that the Loretta Lynch led DOJ would have issued an investigation into a Trump/Russia link since she is a political animal.
And Comey is Comey - he just likes jamming people.
So no, I don't think Trump has lost too much credibility. Of course, i don't watch Lawrence O'Donnell either.
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with a timeline and said that this should be looked at. Trump wasn't so smart.
I have little doubt Obama did it, but I have even less doubt that Obama would leave a trail back to himself.
Do you think Obama had the ability to bug Trump tower on his own?
Because if someone helped him - and it would have been a lot of people - then it would have been (1) illegal and (2) leaked.
You don't understand how intel collection works. You should google "incidental findings." Seriously.
Honest question.
Why would the FBI investigate the Trump campaign, but not surveil Trump Tower?
Yesterday they said, "Aha! There is acknowledgement that Trump is under investigation for the first time". But they ignore WHEN it began (last July per Comey), and they ignore that Obama himself said there was absolutely no evidence of collusion later in November, and they ignore Flynn's intercepted communiques. Chris has argued that was obtained from monitoring the Russian ambassador, but now we discover that Trump's campaign was an investigation target but that the interception of Flynn's talks were coincidence.
They simply aren't capable of critical thinking.
The campaign was under investigation since July.
The Ambassador is routinely surveilled without relation to that.
They pick up Flynn on one of those calls. That info is passed on to the investigators.
The leak of Flynn's name? How is it any different than the FBI leaks of the Weiner computer and the false FBI leak to Bret Baer that the Clinton Foundation was going to be imminently indicted? You had no problem with those leaks as I recall.
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The only way they get a FISA warrant for that is if there was PC of criminal conduct at the time.
There likely wasn't at that time and there may not be of Donnie.
The leaks prove whatever anyone wants...while Comey says that the leaks are false.
Everyone just needs to take a deep breath on this. I've never seen so many conspiracy theory believers. The Right did not jump on the Birther bandwagon this much, and the Birther evidence was much better.
Chris Wallace was talking last night about it all sounds so bad at the high level being reported, until you look at each individual fact, and you discover that there is nothing there.
It's becoming more and more difficult to believe that Manafort, Flynn and Stone didn't know about and weren't involved with the email dumps.
That's what the there is and it can be proven if someone takes the ball with subpoena power and runs with it.
On the other hand, maybe it's all as innocent and clean as the freshly fallen snow. I doubt it though,
"they weren't surveilling Flynn, they were surveilling the Russians?"
Obama would not need to bug him directly if some other group could be the target. This did indeed happen with Flynn while at Trump Tower talking to the Russian ambassador on the phone.
P.S. - Do you really think that if Flynn were trying to collude with the Russians that he (or they since they are experts at espionage) would be carrying on conversations with direct calls to the embassy and the ambassador? Don't you think that if the Russians were really trying to manipulate that the meeting would have been untraceable and that we never would even have heard about it?
Flynn seemed to be using the "front door" a lot for communication - not very typical for an intelligent person trying to hide something.
evidence? If there had been even a hint of surveillance on Trump found, Comey would have shit on Obama as fast as you can say Dump Trump. So no, I'm not in a bubble but I know someone who is....
No evidence shown.
Comey reveals that Obama's DOJ ordered this begun back in July 2016. In November 2016, Obama specifically was asked about Trump/Russia ties, and Obama said quite confidently and definitively that there was no evidence of a link between the Trump Campaign and the Russians. Do you actually think Obama wasn't in the loop on what they found? 8 months, and no proof yet, but you still act like it's been proven. At the same time Trump's allegations were made 2 weeks ago, and you seem to feel that is plenty of time to know for sure.
I'll drop my gun when you drop yours.
with and yet the one man and nation this country is at odds with, he can't say enough good things about him and them. All paths lead to Trump having extensive business ties to Russian interests including hiring a great many who have deep ties to Russia. We know Russia influenced the elections and we know Trump has lied on behalf of knowing Russian officials along with this staff knowing too. If it smells like a turd, looks like a turd, it probably isn't a tootsie pop.
Would that be by releasing true information that Hillary and her Campaign actually did for the public to see?
Would that be to counter the MSM October surprise of the Access Hollywood Tapes that they purposely held onto until the end? Hmmm?
Sounds to me like you're pissed because you ended up not enjoying your unfair MSM advantage, and your pissed about it. The Russians didn't touch a voting booth or brainwash anyone. They did show us truthful information of corruption that you have chosen to ignore and not act upon. Why are you not furious with Podesta and Clinton? They are who your wrath should be directed. They behaved badly. If they didn't cheat, there would be no info to leak.
into our system to control our destiny.
Seeing that Hillary got 3 million more votes. Because if it were decided by the popular vote, Hillary would have won handily and this wouldn't even be an issue.
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Link: Bunch of no-good liberals
If they did, Trump would already be gone.
Trump's puerile nature is undeniable, but the media's incessant attacks have been so over the top that Trump has nothing to worry about because everyone figures it's just the media yet again with their new attack for the next 12 hours until a different criticism arises.
The WSJ has some writers who are part of the media establishment that wants to bring Trump down. At least they allow differing viewpoints on their staff unlike say the WashPo.
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….first, i am compulsive & a bad typer which is a bad combo for quick posts.
….second, I often reword my posts as I read them.
You tend to watch for responses frequently, so I would expect you to notice this more.
I wanted you to know why my posts always have edit. I recall a couple of years ago that Lance was upset (well ok, Lance is ALWAYS upset) about this.
FBI had and has an investigation of alleged contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia.
Like the Orangetan you just make this shit up as you go along.
are missing a lot.
Sounds like you believe that the government was investigating but not surveilling the Trump campaign. Which raises the question: How were they investigating? Were they reading newspaper clippings?
Practically speaking to get a FISA warrant you need PC. I doubt they had that at the time and Manafort is gone in August.
The damage was also done by then with the wiki lieaks.
I think it's very probable that there was no surveillance of fortress Donald.
Also they can be survelling the Russian side which is much easier to do under the law.
I don't think that is legal.
candidate's operation without PC.
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